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Baby It’s Cold Outside

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by rlvaughn, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Jerome

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    Huh?

    Nightclub singer Margaret Whiting

    "i was her association with...Johnny Mercer that most defined Ms. Whiting’s career....young Margaret sang for him one night at the family home in Beverly Hills, Calif. She was just 6. 'I came down in my nightgown...sang two songs and went up to bed'....Mercer became a surrogate father of sorts to 13-year-old Margaret, personally overseeing her budding career....He once told her, 'I have two words for you: grow up'....'He was a perfect Southern gentleman until he had three Scotches and two sips,' she once said."

    "A duet with Mercer, 'Baby, It’s Cold Outside' (by Frank Loesser), lasted 19 weeks on the Billboard chart in 1949. Her nine duets...from 1949 to 1951, were sensations, particularly 'Slippin Around.'"

    "Whiting had an early love affair with the actor John Garfield, and her first three marriages ended in divorce....In her later years, Ms. Whiting was known to many as the unlikely wife of Jack Wrangler (originally John Stillman), a star of gay pornographic films in the 1970s who went on to become a cabaret and theater producer....When they first became involved, he told her, 'I’m gay,' to which she replied, 'Only around the edges, dear.'"

    Check out these lyrics to Slippin' Around, 'straightforward' singer Margaret Whiting's #1 hit in 1949 (her Baby It's Cold Outside duet with Mercer only reached #3 that year):

    Seems we always have to slip around
    To be together, Dear
    Slipping around
    Afraid we might be found
    I know I can't forget you
    And I've gotta have you near
    But we just have to
    Slip around and live in constant fear
    Oh, you're tied up with someone else
    And I am all tied up, too
    I know I've made mistakes, Dear
    But I'm so in love with you
    I hope some day I'll find a way
    To bring you back to me
    And I won't have to slip around
    To have your company...
     
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    From Facebook: "If you have to go back 74 years to find a song you call 'offensive', you obviously haven't turned on a radio in over 20 years."
     
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    Provocative lyrics:This was common during the Big Band era.

    It's a dinosaur issue which has only surfaced because the Grinch Police Force needed ammunition.

    You don't have to look far in 30's through 50's music lyrics to find near smut.

    M. Ward – I Get Ideas Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
     
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    It's amazing how some really dumb people can get elected to office.
     
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    K- A- L -A- M- A -Z -O-O oh what a gal, a real pip a roo! You mean lyrics like that? That is pushing the edge big time for sure.
     
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    You're really over the top. You are trying to tell us that this is somehow suggestive when it just isn't. And neither is the Christmas song. If you don't like it, turn the dial or flip the channel.
     
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    For those that find this song disturbing there is now a politically correct version out:

     
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    PC completed with beta male. :Roflmao:D:Roflmao
     
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    I've been saying that this is a date rate theme song for over 20 years - WAY before the "me too" movement! I also know two women who have enough issues with the song and associating it with their own rapes that they don't listen to the radio at Christmastime. That is sad. I don't think it's such a big deal for a radio station to choose to not play a song. And it has nothing to do with rap because most of the stations that play this song don't play rap and most of the rap stations wouldn't play this song. And yes, I also think the explicit rap (and hip hop and any other style of music) lyrics are completely 100% wrong as well.
     
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    So do you think that Dean Martin dealt in smut? Or for that matter Red Skelton? Do you think that Rudolph is about bullying?
     
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    The way I see it, it doesn’t seem very honest to deny that the woman’s role in this song involves her own struggles and temptations on whether to go or not and to simply just put the situation and any fault all on the man. Again, women are experts at manipulating…and this seems to be a fine example of one at work.

    The fact is she went to be alone in this guy’s apartment, she was drinking, she brought up the effects of strong drink on her judgment, she was hinting about those effects while teasing about why she should go, then says “well maybe just a half of drink more”. Talk about mixed signals and manipulation! Then she says “well, maybe one more cigarette” right after he tells her lips look delicious in order to draw out the temptation while following with that she agrees with him that it is cold outside. It should be obvious the game being played here involved mutual attraction, temptations, and teasing…

    Yet, somehow this situation gets turned (manipulated) into the man being an evil lone wolf and then ridiculous drama of date rape memories are used to support #metoo type feminist agenda attacks… I consider the accusations of date rape quite a one-sided stretch and overblown propaganda…
     
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    Problem: How do you prove the author meant the risqué side of a double entendre?
     
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    It was a 1949 song that somehow became a hit. It probably is innocence pretending to be risque but the feminists jumped on it just because. I never particularly liked the song but 80% of the common people like it.

    One that is much more problamatic to me is Eartha Kitt's Santa Baby. But it gets a pass and she is dead.

    Gov. Jimmy Davis sang some dubious songs but he also did Southern Gospel at the end of his life. He did You Are My Sunshine. Nat King Cole sang the disgusting Teach me Tonight.
     
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    Deana Martin is emphatic that her father was puritanical and did not deal in smut. I don't think Red Skelton did either although he is quoted here in Indiana for a couple of blue jokes, but nothing like Redd Foxx.

    Feminist say everything is rape. They thought that they were attacking Christmas but they attacked a secular Christmas song. I doubt if anyone in 1949 would have tolerated a dirty Christmas song.
     
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    SAN FRANCISCO — After polling thousands of Bay Area radio listeners, San Francisco's KOIT radio station announced it was returning the controversial "Baby It's Cold Outside" holiday song to its daily playlist. CBS San Francisco reports that following a national outcry against the song, KOIT Program Director Brian Figula opted last week to place the song on hold while seeking further listener feedback.

    "After hearing from thousands of Bay Area listeners via polling, phone calls, emails and social media, KOIT has concluded that the vast majority consider the song to be a valuable part of their holiday tradition, and they still want to hear it on the radio," Figula said in a statement on Monday.

    Figula said when it came to the vote, it wasn't even close.

    Station nixes ban on controversial song after "overwhelming" poll results
     
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    Christmas song? This is the reason why many born again Christians are choosing not to celebrate "Traditional" "holidays". No too mention, Christ was probably not Born in December.
     
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    What does that even mean?
     
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    Both Esther Williams and Ricardo Montalban are on record that the song was indeed suggestive:

    The actor assigned the part of the wolf in the film duet was Ricardo Montalban. His first language was Spanish, and he later explained that he did not realize during filming just how suggestive the lyrics were. Esther Williams was amazed that film censors allowed the song in the film, saying: "Baby, It's Cold Outside!...really was suggestive."

    Google Books: You Ain't Heard Nothin' Yet Interviews with Stars from Hollywood's Golden Era

    And contrary to representations now being made by its benighted apologists, some were troubled by the song when it was unleashed in 1949:

    Google Books: You Must Remember This 1949
    Sadly, the Hollywood cesspool prevailed. And ditto 2018, apparently.
     
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