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What happened to the caravan after the midterm elections?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by HankD, Dec 12, 2018.

  1. Martin Marprelate

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    Now, now, all socialists need walls. Stalin built the iron curtain and the Berlin Wall. The Chinese Wall goes back some years ago. The Vatican built a huge wall to keep the jihadis from offing the Popes. Israel has a very successful wall. There were walls around Jericho. The famous socialist Ob@b@ built a big brick wall around his Washington DC mansion.

    All rich rulers in socialist countries have huge walls around their dachas and mansions.
     
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    Good for them.

    Certain environmentalists however are very unhappy with dams and their disruption of the habitat, animals, fish, etc...
     
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    So you want to make it dangerous for people living close to the border in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California? Why don't we bury the radioactive waste in your town?
     
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    Old technology. Even saudi Arabia is making heavy investments in solar energy.
     
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    Natural gas is a good intermediate solution for the U.S. actually fracking is used with shale oil. natural gas is a by-product. Solar is cheaper now than coal as is wind energy without the negative effects on the environment. The 5 biggest coal companies in the U.S. including the largest Peabody Coal have declared bankruptcy because there's not much of a market for coal anymore. Once again, Trump doesn't understand the science behind today's energy trade-offs.
     
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    There is radioactive waste buried in my town (my county, anyway). The government dumped material here for their MOX fuel project and then de-funded the program....leaving the waste.

    But yes, I want to make it dangerous for border people. People who live in New Orleans should know there is a danger living below sea level. People in Hawaii should know there is a danger living at a volcano. People who live on a fault line should know it is dangerous. And people who live on the boarder need to know it is dangerous to live there.

    I only see one problem. While the folks may start glowing (which would be a good thing as we could recognize them from the legal immigrants), they could also develop super human powers and take over the country.
     
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    No. All Communists and dictators need wals. Trump is a wanna-be dictator but we're not going to let that happen in America. The resistance is strong and getting stronger. Trump will fall HARD and then do HARD time.
     
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    Problem with solar energy is the expense (both in money and natural resources) for what is obtained. It is one of the most expensive forms of energy. Natural Gas is currently the least expensive and most efficient. I like wind, but that's also not very efficient.
     
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    On a side note....we have a lot of solar panels around here (on the roofs of houses). Does the panels make the roof last longer?
     
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    I agree with the idea that people living in low-lying areas on the coast need to recognize the danger and pay for insurance to protect them from it. But the U.S. doesn't need to create hazards for its own citizens.
     
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    Natural Gas, Geothermal, Wind, and Hydroelectric are all cheaper today than coal and solar has become just about equal now.
     
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    The government IS a hazard for its on citizens. :Biggrin

    And it has created hazards (just like I just described in my area). I can think of four very large sites off hand (the entire site in my county is over 300 sq miles). There have been radioactive deer, alligators, and fish (pretty cool....huh...).
     
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    Natural Gas is considerably much cheaper than wind. Solar is considerable more expensive than wind.

    The thing is you have to remove the government subsidies, otherwise you have false costs.

    Energy – Just Facts
     
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    That's the problem with nuclear power. We don't have a good way of dealing with the nuclear waste. Environmental problems like the water in Flint, MI are caused by deregulation which Trump and the Republicans are pushing. These allow corporations to dump dangerous wastes into streams, etc. If you push for allowing corporations to do this to make more money that is what you get. That happened in NC with deregulation of safely dealing with the wastes from hog farms. With all the rain from the hurricane that hog excrement was spread all over the state. Want clean air, clean water and no environmental dumps? Vote for increasing environmental restrictions not removing them.
     
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    That isn't a problem if we put the waste in a wall at the border. We could call it the "waste wall".
     
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    I doubt it but think they go on the outside of an existing roof so they don't make it last for a shorter period of time.
     
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    You don't live in S. Texas.
     
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    No. I avoid those dangerous areas. First you have people trying to get into the country illegally. That's just illegal. And then you have all those Texans. And they carry guns. If all of the material we have stored for the MOX project can be stored safely I'm confident we can create a very small leak towards the south side of the wall that won't extend past the Rio Grande.
     
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    They do go over the existing roof, but I was thinking maybe they would help protect the actual roof from weather (making it last longer). I have not checked into the cost, but have considered having them installed.

    Here's something I found out that was pretty cool (I live in North Augusta SC). There are several civil war mills by the Augusta canal. One houses several businesses and apartments (and a museum). It makes its own power, of course, via the canal.

    The interesting part is the US Government cyber security program uses the oldest factory to house its servers. It also generates it's own power so it is off the local grid unless really needed. I found it interesting because this is such an old building where new technology is directly dependent on old.
     
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