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Trump Approval Rating at 39%, Base Weakens…

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by FollowTheWay, Jan 19, 2019.

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  1. FollowTheWay

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    I haven't seen any evidence to that effect. Have you?
     
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    I support a representative Democracy as a form of government for America. My allegiance is to Jesus Christ.
     
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    Why would I care?
     
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    The USA isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic. And if your allegiance is Christ, then why worry?
     
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    A representative democracy is essentially the same thing as a republic. I'm not worried. I just hate to see my country go down.
     
    #25 FollowTheWay, Jan 20, 2019
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    I support keeping the United States a republic. My allegiance is to Jesus Christ. That is why I abhor the DNC and have no confidence the Republican Party is doing much better beyond their actual platform. As a country we need a viable third party.
     
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    Any suggestions?
     
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    That was the republican congress under Paul Ryan.
     
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    No. As long as people who are not represented by either party continue to support a two party system (choosing the "lesser of two evils") by voting against rather than for, I do not think the system will change.
     
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    The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.

    John Adams used the term “representative democracy” in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815.
     
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    Yeah, well Franklin correctly labelled it a republic.
     
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    WASHINGTON, Nov. 6 — President Bush described today a vision of how democracy could unfold in the Middle East and beyond once Iraq is stabilized, challenging Iran, Syria and one crucial American ally in the region — Egypt — to end traditions of authoritarianism.

    Speaking today before the National Endowment for Democracy, created by Congress in the Reagan administration, Mr. Bush named four other countries where he said dictatorship was doomed: North Korea, Burma, Cuba and Zimbabwe. "These regimes cannot hold back freedom forever," Mr. Bush said. He predicted that just as Nelson Mandela emerged from captivity in South Africa to lead the nation, "one day, from prison camps and prison cells, and from exile, the leaders of new democracies will arrive" in each of those countries.
     
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    Oh, so you agree with the neo-con? You must be the last of the neo-cons. The words are thrown around sloppily. What you are talking about in the 18th century is probably a synonym for republic. Webster defines Republic as a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law. A democracy is rule by the majority with every single item having to be put to the vote by the whole country, as you know.
     
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    The Democratic run House should be even lower, as they are being run by real fanatics!
     
    #34 Yeshua1, Jan 21, 2019
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    So you finally agree that GW Bush hurt the country a great deal? I'm about as far from a Neo-Con as you can get.
     
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    But it really isn't.

    In a representative democracy slavery would not have been abolished on constitutional grounds (which may explain why Democrats were historically pro-slavery and in the deep south so opposed to allowing non-whites to vote....e.g. the Hamburg massacre).
     
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    In what way are they different? Why wouldn't slavery have been abolished in a Representative Democracy?
     
    #37 FollowTheWay, Jan 21, 2019
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    You are a hopeless troll. The Democrats are the party of slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, poll tax, lynching, abortion, same sex marriage, and high-tax big government behind the high walls of the rich Democrats with cheap labor to tie your shoes for Democrats.
     
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    This again - many of these types of democracies and republics are subsets of the other group, definitions change with time but if you want to be technical, the US is/was/hopefully will continue to be a federal republic in the strictest since. This is why:

    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

    It does have democratic features (direct election of Congress) but it's a federal republic all the way.
     
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    Nothing to do with the question.
     
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