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Masonry It Really Is A Religion

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  1. HankD

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    I don't believe we have seen the final manifestation of Mystery Babylon yet.
     
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    Free masonry is Gnosticism on steroids, as it is really seeking to be as gods, as in having hidden knowledge, like Satan promised Adam and Eve!
     
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    That will be in the great tribulation time!
     
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    May be worth noting that Pikes "luciferian doctrine" had nothing to do with Lucifer (Satan). He was using the word in an archaic sense.

    While interesting, I am more concerned with pagan philosophy in the church than I am in the world. It is horrible that Masons sometimes make a bigger impact within their communities than churches.
     
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    We should be concnerned when that worldly pagan influence gets in the church, i.e. Mason church members
     
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    Agree but I think we are going to see major advancements before then.
    I think the the time is short.

    In the GT the masks will all come off - then receive the mark or die (those who are still here).
     
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    Jon could you help me sort thru this.....If Pike is not using lucifer in a way people going back hundreds of years have used the word lucifer......what does the archaic sense mean ?

    as the Ancient, Pagan, Satanic Mysteries! Pike continues in Morals and Dogma
    " The true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay (Jesus); but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of darkness and evil."

    “Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jesus) is also God.”

    Jon what archaic sense is Pike talking about ?
    I have never been told this .....or heard of it.
     
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    I agree. And quite a bit has crept into our churches.
     
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    Simply that Lucifer (as a proper name) is foreign to Scripture but today it is accepted as a name for Satan. ("Lucifer" is a Latin word and was once also a popular name). Pike tries to be philosophical.... but his crazy gets in the way.
     
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    Confused Only Christians can become members.
     
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    Like Saint Valentines day and Christmas.
     
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    A quick check with the etomology dictionary tells me lucifer has been used for a few hundred yrs......Pike was writing in the late 1800’s.....besides that sort thru his words and tell us who is lucifer and who is adonay ......maybe I am missing something with this archaic meaning you are telling me about .

    That which we must say to a crowd is—We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees—The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.vii

    Albert Pike, "Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World" (July 14, 1889), as recorded by Abel Clarin de La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-maçonnerie Universelle (1894): 588.
     
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    Somebody likes his crazy he has his own shrine in the house of the dead temple in washington DC. And he is entombed there like Stalin or like a Pharoah......I think somebody liked him.

    Maybe he was crazy like a fox. :)
     
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    He uses it to mean light, specifically knowledge (except when speaking of the "false Lucifer of the legend". "Adonay" does not appear in Pike's actual work (it is a false quote) and other than condemnation of Satan Pike does not have much to say about the subject. But it does demonstrate the Gnostic quality of Freemasonry. And, to be fair, it demonstrates where well meaning Christians go astray when confronting the issue (your quote as a part of Taxil's hoax).
     
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    Yes my bad what Does appear is the word
    adonai.......glad you caught that.
     
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    Pike is a good example of what those who wrest Gods words to their own destruction .

    Lucifer, just like Devil, Dragon, and Abaddon, is another name for Satan.

    Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    Compare with Luke 10:18 Luke 22:3 John 13:27 2Cor 11:14 1Tim 5:15 Matt 24:15 2Thess 2:3-12 Rev 2:9, 13, 24 Rev 9:1 ,11 Rev 12:9 Rev 20:2 Rev 18:23-24

    Also see 2Cor 4:4 John 8:44 John 12:31 John 14:30 John 16:2 Eph 2:2 1John 4:4

    For after the thousand year reign; compare Rev 20:7 with Ezek 28:2, 4-10, 12-19
     
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    I have Never heard of light being a Spirit. Pike tells us :


    LUCIFER the Light-bearer! Strange
    and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not!

    So light is a spirit ....lucifer

    Jon this is getting confusing.
     
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    Yep. Pike is confusing. It is mostly occult nonsense. The only part he got right was his condemnation of Satan.

    I told you he was a bit off his rocker.
     
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    The problem with the biblical quote is "Lucifer" is Latin and it is not a proper name. It was a Latin reference to Venus (the "day star"). I am not sure if it was meant as a proper name for Satan by the KJV translators. If so it is an error.

    But you are right that Pike tried to capitalize on darkness.
     
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    You are right it is Occult .

    Remember not everyone thinks it is nonsense. He is enshrined and entombed in the house of the dead Washington DC.
     
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