Satan Crushed Shortly

Yes I do accept this passage as literal especially when looking at the Hebrew text.

Also I have always admitted to the metaphorical in the scripture but have also stated the need of discernment to tell which is being used or even a mixture.

The coming/suffering of the Messiah - literal, Isaiah 53, etc.
Zechariah 14 the Second Coming also literal

 

Yes its literal - When the Lord Himself come out of His Place, then yes the earth and mountains will melt and valleys rent as the Hebrew text indicates.

 

Granted but still it is/was literal.

That remains to be seen. I believe Jesus has yet to keep His promise literally as I see literalness. You believe otherwise.

But we both believe scripture.

 

Except one day one of us will have the opportunity to say "told ya so"

If it will even matter then,

 

Howdya KNOW it won't happen? It hasn't already happened; that's for sure.

 

The end of the age hasn't happened for sure because the literal bodily return of Jesus hasn't yet happened.

 

Well, actually, 'Samaria' became a term for the ten-tribed northern nation of Israel after God broke the Jews off from it. And there's a fault line running under the Mt. of Olives that has not been widened in the history of man. I believe it's awaiting "the foot".

 

Isaiah 66:8 Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.

May 14, 1948

Israel's 70th birthday celebrations

 

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
No one ever wrote that they did see HIM.
MB

 

This is Born Again.

 

Yes, of the New Jerusalem.

 

yes but we are still citizens thereof.

and ALSO we mustn't forget that there are 2 distinct groups under the Abrahamic Covenant.

Israel, Goyim

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

As Christ did we occupy both heaven and earth.

 

In summary for this thread, there are some truths here:

1.) Satan is NOT yet crushed. The prevalence of sin worldwide proves this beyond a doubt. All other arguments that satan is crushed automatically fail in face of all this sin.

2.) God is NOT through with literal Israel. He said He's gonna make Israel & Judah one nation again. And remember, the foundation of the New J will have the names of the 12 tribes written upon it.

3.) Preterism remains without proof & thus remains false.