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Featured What are the issues with the NRSV? + Poll for favourite version

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Mikey, Dec 13, 2018.

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Your favourite or usual used version?

  1. NASB

    5 vote(s)
    18.5%

  2. NRSV

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. ESV

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%

  4. HCSB

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%

  5. CSB

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%

  6. NKJV

    7 vote(s)
    25.9%

  7. NIV (84)

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%

  8. NIV (2011)

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%

  9. KJV

    10 vote(s)
    37.0%

  10. Other (please state)

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%
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  1. Mikey

    Mikey Active Member

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    I've heard that the NRSV had "liberal bias" and many conservative Christians do not use the version because of this but instead adopted the ESV(other versions are popular), which seems like a "conservative" version of the NRSV (having same readings in many places) that reads poorly.

    The only thing that I can really find on what these "liberal" elements are is the usage of Young-maiden over Virgin, in reference to the birth of Christ. Which to me doesn't seem to affect the Virgin birth.

    Can someone explain the other translation issues? And if you think it is a good bible to use or not.

    Thanks
     
    #1 Mikey, Dec 13, 2018
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    Check Hebrews 1:3 RSV NRSV NWT(Jehovah's Witness) Reference against John 1:9 being the "true light."
     
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    Mikey Active Member

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    Christ.
     
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    It went way into the inclusive language translation process, so would be the liberal equivalent of the Niv 2011 !
    Not a bad translation, but definitely into that gender rendering business!
     
    #4 Yeshua1, Dec 14, 2018
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    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Interest that the new Csb is gaining so much steam now!
    Will that be replacing the Niv 2011 now then?
     
    #5 Yeshua1, Dec 14, 2018
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    From what I've read the NIV 2011 doesn't seem that bad. mainly rather than "brothers" it reads "brothers and sisters", this to me isn't a issue as often bothers is used for both(mixed group). Has it been used differently in either translation?
     
    #6 Mikey, Dec 14, 2018
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    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    More involved than just the translation brothers and sisters, as even the upcoming Nas will be doing that now!
     
    #7 Yeshua1, Dec 15, 2018
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    Mikey Active Member

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    Do you have a video or article I could watch/read? To learn more about it?
     
    #8 Mikey, Dec 15, 2018
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    Is the brightness of God's glory, the true light, not a reflection. Not light from light, but the actual light of God's glory.
     
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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    The MLV renders the emphatic Greek for "not in any way" as "may never*." In the 2019 revision "should never*." A little better. Still wishy-washy.
    ". . . and I give to them everlasting life, and they should never* perish . . . ." -- John 10:28.

    I would think, "will never*" would have been better.
     
    #11 37818, Dec 18, 2018
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    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member
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    Here's an article I wrote a few years back on the subject:
    The F.I.E.C. and the N.I.V. 2011
     
    #12 Martin Marprelate, Dec 19, 2018
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    I did not know the new NAS would be doing that. Where did you see that? The ESV adds that to footnotes when appropriate.
     
    #13 Reformed1689, Feb 20, 2019
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    When the NASB adds words to a text, the added words are in italics. But when the ESV adds the same or similar words in the same text, not even a note.
     
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    Not sure how that was relevant to what I was talking about. The NASB does not even italicize all added words, that is a misleading statement. Any translation there are going to be added words. They only italicize words that are supplied on top of the standard translation to add meaning. Honestly, many of their additions are unnecessary.

    What examples do you have on the ESV, out of curiosity, with the same supplied words that would be italicized in the NASB?
     
    #15 Reformed1689, Feb 20, 2019
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    So I take it you are not a person who prefers the NASB over the ESV? I actually do prefer it over the ESV. Even the NIV. I know, boo hiss boo hiss.
     
    #16 SovereignGrace, Feb 20, 2019
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    Neither does the KJV. My point is the ESV adds words where the NASB uses italics.
     
    #17 37818, Feb 20, 2019
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    No I prefer the ESV as my primary translation. I see it at about the same accuracy as the NASB. Others argue otherwise, but just being literal all the time is not necessarily more accurate.
     
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    The ESV translates the Greek for "from" as "before" in Revelation 13:8 as did the RSV. The NRSV corrects this.
     
    #19 37818, Feb 20, 2019
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    Actually before is an acceptable translation of that word as well.
     
    #20 Reformed1689, Feb 20, 2019
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