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Preterist slayers! Frick & Frack!

 

The Roman Catholic Church did with its inquisition and other tribulations it imposed on the church and the Jews.

 

Well I am not a preterist but I will answer some of this rant anyway.

The days were shortened when Cestius withdrew his troops allowing Christians to escape. They were shortened also when the city suddenly fell so some Jews were not killed but taken as slaves. So many slaves in: fact, that the price of slaves crahed throughout the empire. fullfilliing Deut 28:68, indeed all of the curses in Deut 28 were fulfilled in the Roman war and its immediate aftermath.

The four horses represent four periods of the Roman empire in the second century.
From AD 70 till about 192 was called the period of Imperial Peace wjhen Rome was expanding put peaceful inside the empire (mainly).
1st seal, White horse.; Rome was still expanding by its conquests.
2nd seal, Red Horse. Perioid of crisis, Wars and rebelions throughot the empire. The empire began to decline.
3rd seal, Black horse. The result of the previous period. Prices became sky high. The rider carried a pair of scales. John heard the prices fixed by a voice from heaven. Wheat and barley prices went through the roof, but wine an oil were not touched, luxury items for the rich were not affected but staples for the poor were . In the third century there was a great economic crisis. Money lost most of its value and taxation was crushing.
4th seal Pale or green horse, The decline continued a quarter of the population of the empire perished by war famine, petilence and wild beasts.

• "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places."

These happened in the years running up to AD 66. Check you history books of the era,

 

The four beasts are tha same four empires as those in Nebuchadnezzah's dream, in Daniel 2. The lion with wings Babylon, see statues in British museum 2nd beast Medis/Persia. It rose on one side, the Medes, but the Persians became the stronger. 3rd Beast Greece. The speed of Allexanders conquest were compared to a leopard. 4th beast undescribable and terrible. Rome.

There are only four empires from the time of Daniel mentioed in scripture, Babylon, Persia and Greece in the Old T.estament, and Rome in the New Testament

 

Rome had only dropped the sword and the rack, etc because she doesn't have the power nown but she has always said she would do so again. In the late 19th century, Henry Grattan Guinness describe how he visited the inquisition office in Rome, with a Baptist minister. The asked the Dominican in charge. "Has Rome Changed?" His answer was "Rome never changes. As she was in the beginning, so she is now, So shall she ever be." Don't forget the motto of the Roman Church is Semper Edem, Ever the Same.

You will find a record of that visit in a book entitled The City of the Seven Hills, by Mr Guinnes, You will find it online somewhwre.

The Inquisition is called The Holy Office and no doubt still exists today.

 

That is about right but I can't see why that should be unpopular on a Bapist Forum.

I would say that you are correct in that The Beast whose fatal wound had been healed was the Roman Empire, but wrong in your timing. Rome split into 10 separate kingdoms which was the fatal wound, but was revived in the papacy. The Popes claims to the title Pont Max, is the title of the Roman emperprs since Julius Ceasar. Caesar was High Priest amd king of the pagan religion and the Pope is now, in the revived empire.

 

That our Lord's earthly ministry was first and foremost to the Jews is not at issue. However:
John 10:16. "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice and there will be one flock and one shepherd."
John 12:32. "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself."
Acts 1:8. "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

The Lord Jesus was well aware of the international nature of His ministry. So again I ask, why do you think these things are confined to AD 70?

These verses may well be a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem, but they would also be a description of what happened in AD 136, or they may be something in store for the future. Whatever the truth may be, they do not indicate that Christ returned to earth in AD 70.

This is something that has been going on since our Lord's time on earth, is going on today and doubtless will continue until His return. The Greek word for 'earth' here is ge. There is no reason to limit the division to the land of Israel. It is something that is going on all over the world right now, especially when Moslems come to Christ.

Again, although the comment is directed towards the Jews, it is something that is going on today, like wars and rumours of wars and the Gospel going out to every nation.
Excerpts from Josephus, 'Wars of the Jews':
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Sorry! I don't accept non-Biblical sources in theological discussions. And Josephus is not necessarily an un-biased author. He is eager to justify his patron, Titus.

That something very terrible happened to the Jews in AD 70, and that it was foretold by our Lord is not to be denied. But Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 both suggest a continuing trauma for them, culminating perhaps in the Holocaust, which was far more destructive even than AD 70.
Deuteronomy 28:64ff. 'I will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other......and among those nations you will find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place........' This began in AD 136, but carried on all through the Medieval period, through the Russian pogroms and to the present day.

 

Scripture reference for this please.

 

Did they stop in AD 70? Are there no wars today, no famines, diseases or earthquakes?

 

Of course there are, but the prophecy was to the Roman war. In the short time after the resurection all of those things happened over that short period.

 

I disagree. "And you will hear of wars and rumours of wars. See to it that you are not troubled, for the end is not yet." In AD 69, the Year of the Four Emperors, the end was coming fast for Israel.

 

Democrat. I vote Democrat.

 

They are definitely anti-Christ.