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The problem is the umbrella is getting too big. How can the dems keep the homos and the Muslims under the same umbrella? Muslims and Jews?

 

What's at issue is that it happened. In a large way. To that generation. It's fulfilled prophecy.

 

"In the New Testament prophecies are not made to point to facts, but facts to point back to prophecies." Alfred Edersheim

Lol. and you declare it with such assuredness! All you futurists think you're entitled to utter prophecies.

You should accept Edersheim's words of wisdom.

 

Yes, the Roman Empire did nearly collapse from within with the "Year of the Four Emperors" before Vespasian took over. "The Beast" refers to both Rome and Nero. That's why Nero's suicide supports this case. Still not sure about the details of Rev. 19:20. This may refer to final judgment. Regardless, it doesn't sway me to rejoin the "futurist" camp.

 

The only reason I believe this is not a popular "Baptist" view is because it could weaken the "futurist" views. We disagree on the timing, but agree in principle that "the Beast" points to Rome.

 

The religion of the beast is leftist ideology. He has already taken over the last three generations through the public education systems of the industrialized world. The faculties have increasingly been made up of the "priests" of this new morality (against all that is Bible Based) and have proselytized children and young adults into their religion right under our noses.
Rome will legitimize this new morality when the time comes (allot sooner than most think I am starting to wonder). This current pope is moving their canon farther left every day now.

https://www.jesussaidwhat.com/trump-derangement-or-strong-delusio

 

Brother, I had been under the impression that this was a forum to actually discuss our different views. In this case, to answer what our views are regarding the "religion of the Beast". Obviously only one view is going to be correct, and even then we can't be positive. Is this turning into a "Preterist Bashing" thread instead of a true discussion of our views? Nobody is trying to convince anyone else to change their views, but I thought everyone was free to express what they think. I get it that this is the minority view. What I don't get is being practically accused of heresy.

 

How does preterism "cheapen" the return of Christ? Whether He came in judgment in AD 70 or we still look to His 2nd Advent, His coming is just as glorious, and still fulfills the Father's plan.

 

There always will be, but that is not the point. Wars were not a sign of the End of the Jewish economy, the armies surrounding Jerusalem were.

 

Then you could be all pals together, back slapping each other.

I think preterism is wrong, but I think futurism is a heresy,

 

That shows how deranged you are.

 

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Assyrians don't exist any more. As do many of the other nations mentioned in the OT. That verse refers to the Assyrians attacking Israel and exiling them. That happened over 2500 years ago.

Lucifer refers to that Babylonian king who overthrew Judah and took tghem into captivity.

 

Contrary to your final paragraph above, the average Preterist has put a great deal of effort into studying prophecy. You would be surprised at how much we are alike regarding prophecy study. Like you, I am certain of some of my interpretations, but not all of them. Also, I do try to keep an open mind, and have been known to change it when the evidence pointed to something that I did not previously believe. (That's how I came to become a Partial Preterist in the first place.)

You state that we just "cop out" and say that it's already happened. How is that any different than us saying that y'all just "cop out" and say that everything is still in the future? I mean, whether the events are past or future is precisely what our different views hinge on.

While myself and many fellow Preterists put a lot of effort into understanding prophecy, there are also those who just depend on what others have said. Following the example of the Bereans, doing our own research, considering the original setting, the author's original meaning, trying to understand how the original audience understood the message, etc. are the best methods of study.

Considering how our hermeneutic methods are so similar, it's a wonder how we arrive at such different conclusions. We depend on the Holy Spirit to lead us, but He doesn't draw our conclusions for us.

 

Of course Islam worships the moon god. We all know that, I hope.

Catholicism worships the consecrated bread, or the host as they call it which represents the sun god. It is held in a monstrance which is a sun image, File:Monstrans.jpg - Wikipedia

We don't put crosses on top of our churches, why would we. The cross was a curse.

 

Are we the original audience?... NO!... We are the spectators!... I rarely go beyond the 1st Century unless it's the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when he comes to resurrect his own and take them back to Heaven... That's the only future I'm concerned about... And You?... Brother Glen

 

I think we all know what you think about preterism. But perhaps you should risk banning and stand up for your beliefs and state them.

Preterism is older than futurism, slightly.

I will tell you what I think the bible says about futurism, and it is more biblical than your rants.

Futurism is a fairly recent inovation and pre tribulation rapturism is even more so.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;