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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Mar 22, 2019.

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  1. Gorship

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    I didn't mean at that time, going forward I'm sure my views won't be very intellectual compared to the rest of everyone.

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    Foreknowledge in Acts of the Apostles 2:23 and 1 Peter 1:3 means pre-arrangement. It’s a Greek noun.

    Foreknowledge in Romans 8:29 is a verb. It means God is actually doing something in foreknowing His elect.

    Either way, God is the force behind both.
     
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    I won’t ridicule you. I’ll be on my best behavior.
     
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    See this where I struggle cause it truly appears to me you want it both ways.

    Did God cause the fall or did God allow the fall.

    He knew it would happen either way, but did God move the pieces.

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    Who brought up Job’s name?

    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” The LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.”[Job 1:6-8]

    God asked Satan where he came from and he answered Him. Then God mentioned Job. It’s like, sic’em Satan!
     
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    Brother, God uses primary and secondary causes to fulfill His decreed will. Please look these two things up. God doesn’t do evil Himself, but He has used evil to fulfill His decreed will. He used Satan to afflict Job. He sent an evil spirit upon Saul. He stirred up the hearts of two kings to attack Jews. He caused Joseph to be sold into slavery so that He could save them from the famine later on.

    And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.[Romans 8:28]

    God does not just use good things, but both good and bad, and works them to good for His ppl.
     
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    Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God and die!” But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.[Job 2:9-10] Job knew very well that his afflictions were from God. He knew his adversity came from God.

    For to you it has been granted for Christ’s sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,[Philippians 1:29]

    Both the ability to believe in God and suffering for Him are both granted/given by God.
     
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    God looked down through the corridors of time and saw that Adam would sin, so he was predestined to sin. Got it.
     
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    Again, God looked down through the corridors of time and saw that Saul would choose to follow him.
     
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    So God looks down through the corridors of time and sees that a bus will crash, so he predetermined that it would crash.

    Similarly, God looks down through the corridors of time and sees who will believe in Him, so he predestines them to be elect. Right? Why not?
     
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    Who moved the evil agent to commit evil is what I'm trying to get.

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    Really? Active or permissive?
     
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    No, that's like you are "sic" in the head. God was telling Satan He had a servant who Satan couldn't defeat.
     
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    And what do I disagree on with common Calvinist belief? You have yet to point this out. You just say that I do. (Although I think you don't even know what Calvinist beliefs actually are.)

    Nobody on the Calvinist side say there is no free will. Stop peddling this misinformation.
     
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    When I was in school that was called "cheating". :Biggrin
     
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    yes, many do,, look up previous threads
     
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    Not going to waste my time trying to clear myself from a false, unsubstantiated, no proof, accusation.
     
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    from a thread long ago.
     
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    wow, you quoted yourself. Good job.
     
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    I did, on purpose.. Read it and realize if you do not believe in free will. you blame God for sin.
     
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