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where does it say that we go to heaven ?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by wopik, Feb 22, 2006.

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  1. Grasshopper

    Grasshopper Active Member
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    Right,and anybody that knows their Bible knows that the angel calls the New Jerusalem the Bride, Lamb's Wife.

    Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife .
    Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    That makes the New Jerusalem the Church.

    Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
     
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  2. Johnv

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    We need to keep the context of what Jesus said in consideration here.

    In those days, there was a certain unique Jewish marriage custom. After the vows, the groom would say "I go to prepare a place for you, and will come for you to receive you unto myself, so that, that, where I am, you will also be." The bride then goes to stay with her parents, while her new hubby goes off to setup a home for them. After a few weeks to a few months, he comes back, retrieves his bride, and they go off to live together as husband and wife.

    Jesus was using this common marriage custom as an example to his followers, that his followers are married to him. He goes to prepare a place for us, and when it is our time, he comes for us and takes us to be with him forever. In like manner, we are engaged but must wait for Jesus to come back for us. We still have to do the things we did before: wash the dishes and do the laundry, go to work, pick up after the dog, etc etc. But we can now do these things with a new joy because we are in love with Jesus. The Jewish bride also looked different because she wore a veil on her face. This was a way of letting everyone know that she was spoken for. She was called "sanctified," or "set apart." Everyone who saw the bride now knew that she belonged to someone else. Thus, everyone who sees one us us shold be able to know we belong to Jesus.

    This is not about the end times. This verse is about us here, now, and when we each individually die to be with Jesus.
     
    #22 Johnv, Feb 24, 2006
  3. BobRyan

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    You actually get that right. Nice going!

    The bride is "seen" in Rev 21 coming down out of heaven and so also in Rev 19 is the bride "seen" at the marriage - at the 2nd coming.

    Christ declares that at the last day the cry will go out (MAtt 25) Behold the bridegroom cometh! It is the midnight cry that happens at the rapture!

    Peter said to FOCUS our hope COMPLETELY on that future event in 2 Peter chapter 1.

    Pretty hard to miss this focus on the 2nd coming as the time when we are taken by the bridegroom to that home he is now preparing for us!

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #23 BobRyan, Feb 25, 2006
  4. wopik

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    Hi, all.


    But what is the Father’s house? What does the Bible declare the Father’s house to be?

    When in the Temple, Jesus said to the Jews who were selling doves and cattle: “Make not my Father’s house a house of merchandise” – John 2:16.


    Here is a simple Bible definition of the Father’s house.

    Did the Temple have many “mansions” or rooms and chambers in it?

    Jeremiah 35:2: “…..speak with them and bring them to the house of the Lord, into one of the chambers ….” (English Standard Version).


    Different chambers were for persons of different rank. Hanan, a man of God, had his chamber or room “near the officials' chamber, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah son of Shallum the mere doorkeeper.” -- Jeremiah 35:4.


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    • At the time of William Tyndale and the King James Version "mansion" also, like mone, meant a dwelling place or stopping place. It could also be used of the physical dwelling place or of the manor house of a lord, but these seem to be secondary to the earlier uses as in the Greek. Now, however, we understand a mansion as being limited to a physical dwelling and having specific socioeconomic implications.

      The idea is "not mansions in the sky, but spiritual positions in Christ" (Gundry 1967:70; cf. Brown 1970:627).</font>


    Perhaps that's one reason the Apostles argued who was the greatest among them (rank):

    LUKE 22:24 -- "and there was also strife among them (Apostles), which of them should be accounted the greatest."

    Amazing as it seems, in the midst of Jesus' revelation about his coming suffering the disciples are fighting over who is number one among them. The text speaks of a "rivalry" (NIV: dispute) breaking out among them.
     
    #24 wopik, Feb 25, 2006
  5. billwald

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    1. No More Sea (Re 21:1)

    Do your salt water fishing NOW!
     
    #25 billwald, Feb 25, 2006
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