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Featured Thread Continuation from "What Is Heresy"

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Apr 8, 2019.

  1. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    Who said all sin is forgivable?

    This of course shows a theological inconsistency. So Christ died for all of the sins of that person except one? What was the purpose of paying for the rest of the sins of that person? And it is incorrect to say that not accepting Christ is what sends you to hell. A person's sin is what sends them to Hell.

    I didn't disregard anything. Do you deny the word world does not always mean every single person?
     
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    Heresy is any teaching or practice that its advocates claim is Biblical doctrine and practice but cannot be sustained by sound principles of exegesis and/or is antithetical to the clear and explicit teachings of scripture.
     
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    I think in soteriological contexts the term "world" means mankind in general as opposed to the Jewish restrictive thinking that salvation was confined to being or becoming a Jew. It refers to all men without distinction of race, gender or class in contrast to the divisions in the temple worship under the Jews which had a divided section for gentiles, one for women, one for men and another for a certain class of men - priests.

    The only place it is inclusive of every human being (except Christ) is when defining the fallen nature or using the law to justify sinners by works.
     
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    kosmos when referring to people always means the entire world. Never meaning only part of the population.
     
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    Simply not true unless you ignore context. Unless of course, you are a Universalist...
     
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    Dr. Morris, not only that but since calvies actually mean the elect it still doesn't stand up to scriptural scrutiny since there is a clear word for elect it is likely it would have been used. So it is not likely that.
     
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    Which is an absurd argument for you to make. So in other words, you can never use a word to refer to something else if there is a specific word for that something else? That's ridiculous.
     
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    Those are your words not mine. Your false dichotomy not mine.
     
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    It is precisely the argument you are making in multiple threads now.
     
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    Don't tell me the argument I am making I know what argument I am making. Do you know why I know what argument I am making? ........

    Because I am making it. Bet ya didn't know that.

    My argument is not what you said. If you are having reading comprehension issues you are more than welcome to ask me for clarification. What you are not welcome to do is tell me what I am saying. That takes quite a bit of hubris or such a narrow mind set that you cannot act reasonably and with maturity to understand there are more options than you are allowing for.
     
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    Then by all means great reverend....do explain how that is not what you are arguing. Sure you use the word "likely" but come on, give me a break. After all, here is what you said in the other thread:

    You didn't leave any wiggle room there. Will love to see you explain your way out of that one.
     
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    Sigh, you said:

    " So in other words, you can never use a word to refer to something else if there is a specific word for that something else? "

    The key phrase here is "can never". I did not say that nor did I imply it. That is what you wanted to take from it as a debate tactic. That is your MO. You are here to win debates not have discussions.

    I said it was absurd because "world" in its natural meaning refers to everyone. There is no context in that passage that narrows it down to the elect, and elect would have been a much better word use if that was what was meant. I said it was absurd because it is only your personal theology that imposes elect on world in an eisegetical way. It is also because of your calvinist eisegesis that sees my post in such a narrow way. It permeates your view of not only scripture but of how your contemporaries post.

    Not sure why all of this has to be explained.

    Nice adhominem
     
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    Your second quote I posted did not leave any room and definitely implied "can never" because it is "absurd".

    If it is referring to people without context, yes.

    Whether elect was a better word you will have to take up with the Holy Spirit. But the whole book of John shows that it is not for every person so therefore it cannot mean every person or you have major discrepancies in the book.

    No, it is a thorough study of ALL of Scripture and not individual words and verses taken out of context.
    Half of this post you just gave is ad hominem accusing of esigesis.
     
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    Don't tell me what I implied I said it. I know what it meant. You apparently do not.


    No, no I don't it is pretty clear.

    Uh no


    Sigh, you don't know what one is. You being offended does not make it an adhominem. This is my last response to you in this thread.
     
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    I know what you said. It is quite easy to read. If you want to retreat from what you actually said then fine, but don't try to weasel out of it.

    Uh no what?
    Of course I know what it is. You are accusing and attacking me on the basis of eisigesis without there being any presence of it. That is attacking me, not the position.
     
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    Another gracious non scriptural response. Did you feel the love DT.?
     
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    No but I sure saw the frustration and backpeddaling when his statement was blown out of the water and exposed for what it was.
     
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    That certainly seems to be the case in 1 John 2:2

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
     
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    David, I do not mind when anyone believes something different. Once a difference appears we need to seek out why. Are we in error, is the other person in error, or are we both wrong?
    God alone can open someone's spiritual eyes and understanding.
    But when someone posts 40000 times and about half of those posts are used to call Calvinists, arrogant and rude something wrong is taking place,especially when the accuser cannot make a scriptural case of any substance
     
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