1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Wesley Briggman, Apr 28, 2019.

Top Posters
Page 1 of 3
  1. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    391
    Faith:
    Baptist
    #1 Wesley Briggman, Apr 28, 2019
  2. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,371
    Likes Received:
    2,405
    Faith:
    Baptist
    And what makes the ST any different from the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, or Shintoists other than their verbiage?
     
    #2 Squire Robertsson, Apr 28, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    391
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Nothing.

     
    #3 Wesley Briggman, Apr 28, 2019
  4. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    They do not believe in Satan, they do not worship a diety, they do not believe in the supernatural. They "believe" in rational inquiry, critical thinking, and reasonable agnosticism.


    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
     
    #4 InTheLight, Apr 28, 2019
  5. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I like them a lot better. It's easier for the masses to see who they worship.
    I have been ready for tax exempt status for all charities to end. Several of the local churches operate rental properties and do not pay tax on it or its income. Shameful really.
     
    #5 Reynolds, Apr 28, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
  6. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It depends on which "Satanists" you mention. A large portion most certainly do worship Satan. Even Anton Lavey progressed to a belief in a dark lord which he came to worship. Read some of his last writings.
     
    #6 Reynolds, Apr 28, 2019
  7. Wesley Briggman

    Wesley Briggman Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2017
    Messages:
    1,312
    Likes Received:
    391
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Not sure who "They" are or what they believe.

    The OP is addressing the fact that citizens who have no affiliation with any belief system(bs) or one of many belief systems, is in fact subsidizing all other bs by allowing them to be exempt from certain taxes. The revenue to compensate for these exemptions are passed along, most often as property taxes to all other property owners in the community. While the citizens in the community pay the taxes, these property owners have no say in how the organizations are run. Therefore, taxation without representation!
     
    #7 Wesley Briggman, Apr 28, 2019
  8. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I was quoting verbatim from the linked article in the OP. These are the people that presented their (so-called) beliefs to the IRS.
     
    #8 InTheLight, Apr 28, 2019
  9. InTheLight

    InTheLight Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    24,988
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Wrong. Property taxes are local taxes, usually at the county level. Tax exempt organizations, usually 501(c)-(3) organizations, don't pay federal income taxes. Citizen taxpayers don't directly subsidize them but only to the extent that these organizations don't pay taxes. We are not compensating them by paying more in property taxes. And it's not like we pay more income taxes because there are tax-exempt organization.
     
    #9 InTheLight, Apr 28, 2019
  10. David Kent

    David Kent Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2017
    Messages:
    2,374
    Likes Received:
    312
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In the Roman Empire there was taxation without representation, but Paul did not attack that, but urged Christians to pray for Caesar.
     
    #10 David Kent, Apr 28, 2019
  11. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Tax exempt status is given to organizations that serve the communities. Churches are not like all other tax exempt organizations because churches are the only organizations that are directly written in the tax code. Churches do not depend on a 501c3 status to be tax exempt. Everyone else does. Churches would have to be written out of the tax code.
     
    #11 Revmitchell, Apr 28, 2019
  12. Rob_BW

    Rob_BW Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2015
    Messages:
    4,320
    Likes Received:
    1,242
    Faith:
    Baptist
    They're really just atheists trying to use current laws to make their point?

    The others at least believe in the divine, even if they've got it all wrong.
     
    #12 Rob_BW, Apr 28, 2019
  13. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No. All citizens are represented at the Local, State, and Federal levels.
     
    #13 Reynolds, Apr 28, 2019
  14. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Op is ignorant on why organizations are tax exempt. It is therefore wrong.
     
    #14 Revmitchell, Apr 28, 2019
  15. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2000
    Messages:
    15,371
    Likes Received:
    2,405
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You're being too dipolmatic. The others also also worship some form of the demonic. The ST just uses descriptives we are more familiar with.
     
    #15 Squire Robertsson, Apr 28, 2019
  16. Rob_BW

    Rob_BW Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2015
    Messages:
    4,320
    Likes Received:
    1,242
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yes, but my point was these modern Satanists don't worship anything. They're atheists using the Satanist label merely to shock and offend.
     
    #16 Rob_BW, Apr 28, 2019
  17. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It takes my county X dollars per year to operate. It takes the state X dollars per year to operateAll the non-profits who pay no property tax means every other property owner has to pay more tax to meet the required X amount of revenue. Same can be said for fed and state income tax.
     
    #17 Reynolds, Apr 28, 2019
  18. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Do you think that governments should pay property, sales, income, ect, to other levels of govt?

    The purpose of tax exempt is that non-profits preform a service for the community.
    Now, many non-profits receive funds from the government - so if they had to pay tax -
    they would need more funds to operate.

    Now, if a non-profit (including a church) is involved in a money making activity - ie rental apts - and they
    are making a profit - then yes - they should pay tax on that.

    But - suppose - the value of an apartment is $300 - but a person is only charged $100 - should tax
    be paid on that "profit"?
     
    #18 Salty, Apr 29, 2019
  19. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    13,796
    Likes Received:
    2,468
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In some cases govt does pay other govt tax. The Federal govt. compensatesvthe county I live in for thousands of acres it lost tax revenue on when the Corps if Engineers built 2 lakes here.
     
    #19 Reynolds, Apr 29, 2019
  20. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    52,013
    Likes Received:
    3,649
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No it doesnt
     
    #20 Revmitchell, Apr 29, 2019
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 3
Loading...