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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by loDebar, May 13, 2019.

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  1. Wingman68

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    I had several posts deleted, guess I’m on probation. Kentucky is my friend, as well, & one of the best I have witnessed on this board for being fair, open minded, tolerant, & loving. This is troubling.
     
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    Who has been banned?
     
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    DavidTAYLOR til May 29
     
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    is that after we believe, not before?
     
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    The New Birth begins the process, faith and obedience completes it.
     
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    I think the conversation had become without merit , too personal
     
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    So to your post, we become like Christ after Salvation , not before, except being in a human body
     
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    There's one thing God CAN not do. Anything else? like creating a rock so big He can't lift it?
     
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    If God cannot create a rock so big he cannot lift it, how could he create a universe he cannot control?
     
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    He won't act against His nature. He won't violate His Holiness
     
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    As I was taught, "a word to the wise should be sufficient".

    Gal 6:7 KJV - Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
    Gal 6:8 KJV - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
    Gal 6:9 KJV - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
    Gal 6:10 KJV - As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
     
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    Then that faith or belief is irrational.
     
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    yes, it is . We do not use our minds to believe but our hearts.

    Heb 11:1
    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Heb 11:2
    For by it the elders obtained a good report.
    Heb 11:3
    Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
     
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    The heart is a figure of speech for one's intermost being. Irrationalism is wrong when it comes to truth.
    Evidence is rational.


    To understand is rational.
     
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    We understand and believe the evidence after we exercise faith in things we do not understand

    the substance of things hoped for , evidence of things not seen, things inside, not outside evidence

    Our heart is same as our soul, pnuema, not our psyche , nor soma. Faith is from the soul not psyche
     
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    Being convinced that Jesus came out of the grave after three days is not rational. Neither is my priesthood or sainthood; nor God's love for fallen mankind.
     
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    So are you saying the bodily ressurrection is irrational? ". . . delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. . . ." -- Romans 4:25. ". . . Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. . . ." -- Isaiah 1:18.
     
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    He doesn't ask. He commands it. Just as He commands that you do not sin, knowing that it is not in your power not to.
     
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