All are saved by grace.

That is not what the Bible says. We are convicted by the Holy Spirit to repent of our sin and obey the Gospel. That is how it works. Repentance precedes salvation in the Bible. You are not saved and then told repent. Nowhere is your errant teaching found in the Bible.

Your views do not reflect the Bible and thus do not reflect authentic, biblical Christianity. You need to repent of false teaching and line your theology up with the Bible.

 

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. You just spout off fleshly false doctrine because you clearly do not read or understand the Bible and the basic theological concepts it contains.

The Bible does not say you have to be saved to put faith in Jesus. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace through faith. Saving faith does not come after salvation; that is not what the Bible teaches. The faith a person exercises when they believe the Gospel is accepted by God, even if your bargain-basement theology doesn't make room for it.

 

Yes, but that doesn't mean you are saved BEFORE you believed.

Point to ONE verse that says that we are saved before we believe.

 

That is false. They are not used interchangeably. Pistis isn't "faith." It is "faithfulness" or "loyalty." That is not the saving faith (pistos) of Eph. 2:8,9. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

You are trying to force something onto the Bible that the Bible doesn't say.

 

So faithfulness is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22). Saving faith is a result of the gospel (Romans 10:17). Those are not the same thing.

 

My conviction of sin was because of Holy Spirit. I think I understand what you are saying, and can hold that regeneration is necessary for conviction, repentance and ultimately acceptance of Jesus as Savior.

Regeneration by Holy Spirit will always lead to repentance and salvation, but it is not same as belief or faith which must occur to appropriate salvation.

BTW, this is a good conversation to have to help us understand how we come into our relationship with God.

Thanks for the conversation

Peace to you

 

Yes, but the KJV has it wrong.

 

You may believe the Gospel, but that does not mean you accept it. I know lots of sinners that I used to work with who acknowledge the Gospel, who accept that it's claims are true, but reject Jesus. They know they are going to Hell, but they are too in love with their sin to put their faith in Jesus.

You can believe in Jesus, but not believe Jesus. You can believe the Gospel is true, but reject it on the grounds that you don't want it for yourself. Simply "believing" doesn't mean you're saved. There as to be an active, dynamic faith in Jesus. Believing in the sense of mentally assenting to the propositional truths of the Gospel is simply not enough.

 

But Jesus didn't say you believe because you have eternal life, which is what you're saying. You've been saying that the reason a person believes is that God saved them their believing, repentance, etc. is the result of God saving them before they accepted the Gospel.

You are simply promoting an ungodly, unchristian false teaching that does not line up with the Bible.