Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

Those attempting to defend Roman Catholicism when they are clearly in error, always resort to a dirty trick of distraction, and so when 'on the ropes', 'backed into a corner' when facts are clearly presented that they cannot (will not) answer, they often like to tout that they are the protectors of the 'innocent', and especially like to 'blow their trumpet' when it come to 'abortion' and 'rights to life', but when all is looked at carefully, they are one of the worst hypocrites in this matter, having abused, tortured, raped, bought and sold lives, murdered, committed adulteries, sodomies, not only in their long sordid history, to adults, but and this the most grievous, children, both born and having yet to be born from the womb. It will be documented in this thread.

What most do not know, is that Roman Catholicism defines very specifically who the 'innocent' are. Anyone that is classified by their own man-made rules (Canon law to this very day), an 'obstinate heretic' is no longer 'innocent', do not have any longer the 'right to life', are to be treated as a contagion to be contained or eliminated, and this also includes the children and even the unborn (in the womb), and can be put to death under the doctrine of the 'two swords' (Augustine; Aquinas, etc) and 'just war' dogmas. Then what happens is another tactic that follows, which is the 'plausible deniablity' clause, or the Roman Catholic plea of 'it wasn't us (church) it was them (govt)', all the while never admitting the facts of the case.

(Walter, this one's especially for you, I do hope you think on these things, before spouting off at the fingertips in your SJW mindset, for you are about to look the devil in the face).

Plead read this book - "Eaters of Children" by Johnny Cirucci (WARNING, very graphically documented, not for the faint of heart, including satanic ritual abuse, murder, etc) on the abuse, torture and murder of children by Roman Catholicism in the highest eschelons.

Please consider what goes on behind the closed doors of the Roman Catholic system:







So, as is stated by Walter:

Let's see if this is actually true, or if the whole truth is not being shown.

The official position of the Seventh-day Adventist movement, even from its key personalities, such as brother James White, sister Ellen G White and others:

"... ABORTION

"Few are aware of the fearful extent to which this nefarious business, this worse than develish practice, is carried on in all classes of society! Many a woman determines that she will not become a mother, and subjects herself to the vilest treatment, committing the basest crime to carry out her purpose. And many a man, who has 'as many children as he can support.' instead of restraining his passions, aids in the destruction of the babes he has begotten. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.2}

"The sin lies at the door of both parents in equal measure; for the father, although he may not always aid in the murder, is always accessory to it, in that he induces, and sometimes even forces upon the mother the condition which he knows will lead to the commission of this crime. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.3}

"But the effort to destroy the child is [101] many times unsuccessful, and the little one is born with murder in his heart, stamped there by the murderous intentions of his own mother. And what wonder that these inborn passions should lead him to the lowest depths of degradation both as regards the body and the soul! Many a child lives to mature years, dwarfed and deformed in body, and irritable and imbecile in mind, a disgrace to himself and to the race, who might have been a model of beauty and strength, both physically and mentally, but for the attempts of his parents to destroy his life before he was born. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.4}

"And besides all this, the consequences of such a practice are most disastrous both upon the physical and moral nature of those whose souls are stained with this terrible sin. The general health of the mother is often ruined, and the generative organs seriously injured. No system can endure the shock produced by this unnatural crime without being more or less impaired, while many a woman meets death as a penalty for her sin; others live, but are never again in a condition to conceive, and often suffer constantly in consequence of their fiendish endeavors; while others still are enabled to bear children, but with such anguish as no tongue may tell, and the child thus born is frequently a curse to himself and all with whom he is connected." {1870 JW, SOAP 101.1} ..." - James Springer White (Husband to Ellen G. White, and prominent leader of Seventh-day Adventist Movement), A Solemn Appeal, pages 100.2-101.1

*******

"... SPIRITUALISM is the worst form of infidelity, because of its wonder-working, and snake-like charming propensities. We present in this article a few extracts, 1 showing from the writings of spirits and Spiritualists that the tendency of Spiritualism is ungodly and corrupting; that it leads to adultery, fornication, desertions, unjust divorces, prostitution, abortion, insanity, and suicide. {March 25, 1862 JWe, ARSH 131.9} ..." - James Springer White (Husband to Ellen G. White, and prominent leader of Seventh-day Adventist Movement), Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 25, 1862, page 131.9

Now, let's see what Rome teaches and practices (briefly, and more detail will be given later):

Who was it that allowed Abortion in the United States government, in the Roe Vs Wade case? If you said "catholicism" and "Roman Catholics" you would be right! Here it is:

One of the 'Justices' of the Supreme Court, during the Roe v Wade, was a Roman Catholic, named, “William Joseph Brennan, Jr.”, who “... voted to legalize abortion.” - Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By a Republican Court?

Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By a Republican Court?

Religion of the Supreme Court

'Justice' William Joseph Brennan, Jr. was not Latae Sententiae excommunicate because the law of Romanism is to undermine the Protestant ethic, weaken a nation morally, subvert the people, and to eliminate its enemies through population control, while Catholic families multiply, though some will be caught in the crossfire.

It is simply the modern warfare of the Roman Catholic ideology of “just war” continued through legislation and legal practice, instead of assault by armies, in which the wombs of protestant mothers were ripped open, children killed, heads dashed against the rocks, thrown over cliffs, thrown to dogs, and so on. The history of Roman Catholicism is open for anyone to read.

In fact, even at present, there are many in the Roman Catholic system today that want abortion legalized, and it has been all over the news, and they even have campaigns and websites for promoting abortion:

Catholics for Choice - "... Catholics for Choice believes in a world where everyone has equal access to the full range of reproductive healthcare services—including access to safe and legal abortion services and affordable and reliable forms of contraception. ..." - - Catholics for Choice

"... And although religious groups have been some of the most vocal anti-abortion advocates in America, the majority of people who got abortions in 2014 identified as religious, with 17 percent listing themselves as mainline Protestant, 13 percent as evangelical, and 24 percent as Roman Catholic. The abortion rate among Catholic women was about the same as the national average, while among evangelical women it was about half the national average. ..." - VOX - https://www.vox.com/2019/5/16/18628002/abortion-ohio-alabama-georgia-law-bill-details

 

“... But blackest in the black catalogue of crime, most horrible among the fiendish deeds of all the dreadful centuries, was the St. Bartholomew Massacre. The world still recalls with shuddering horror the scenes of that most cowardly and cruel onslaught. The king of France, urged on by Romish priests and prelates, lent his sanction to the dreadful work. A bell, tolling at dead of night, was a signal for the slaughter. Protestants by thousands, sleeping quietly in their homes, trusting to the plighted honor of their king, were dragged forth without a warning and murdered in cold blood. {GC 272.1}

As Christ was the invisible leader of His people from Egyptian bondage, so was Satan the unseen leader of his subjects in this horrible work of multiplying martyrs. For seven days the massacre was continued in Paris, the first three with inconceivable fury. And it was not confined to the city itself, but by special order of the king was extended to all the provinces and towns where Protestants were found. Neither age nor sex was respected. Neither the innocent babe nor the man of gray hairs was spared. Noble and peasant, old and young, mother and child, were cut down together. Throughout France the butchery continued for two months. Seventy thousand of the very flower of the nation perished. {GC 272.2}

"When the news of the massacre reached Rome, the [273] exultation among the clergy knew no bounds. The cardinal of Lorraine rewarded the messenger with a thousand crowns; the cannon of St. Angelo thundered forth a joyous salute; and bells rang out from every steeple; bonfires turned night into day; and Gregory XIII, attended by the cardinals and other ecclesiastical dignitaries, went in long procession to the church of St. Louis, where the cardinal of Lorraine chanted a Te Deum. . . . A medal was struck to commemorate the massacre, and in the Vatican may still be seen three frescoes of Vasari, describing the attack upon the admiral, the king in council plotting the massacre, and the massacre itself. Gregory sent Charles the Golden Rose; and four months after the massacre, . . . he listened complacently to the sermon of a French priest, . . . who spoke of 'that day so full of happiness and joy, when the most holy father received the news, and went in solemn state to render thanks to God and St. Louis.'"--Henry White, The Massacre of St. Bartholomew, ch. 14, par. 34. {GC 272.3}

The same master spirit that urged on the St. Bartholomew Massacre led also in the scenes of the Revolution. Jesus Christ was declared to be an impostor, and the rallying cry of the French infidels was, "Crush the Wretch," meaning Christ. Heaven-daring blasphemy and abominable wickedness went hand in hand, and the basest of men, the most abandoned monsters of cruelty and vice, were most highly exalted. In all this, supreme homage was paid to Satan; while Christ, in His characteristics of truth, purity, and unselfish love, was crucified. {GC 273.1} ...” - The Great Controversy 1911, by Ellen G. White, pages 272.1-273.1

If any do not believe that source, simply because it comes from sister White, what about a Roman Catholic source, which lists the death toll higher than even the protestant sources? Lord Acton (Roman Catholic):

The History Of Freedom By Lord Acton (Roman Catholic) On St Bartholomews Day Massacre where men, women and children (including the not yet born of the womb) were all murdered in cold blood, as had been done in the Piedmont valleys with the Vaudois, Waldenses, who were thrown over cliffs (including the pregnant).

There is even the direct eye-witness account of Maximilian De Bethune - Memoirs - St Bartholomews Day Massacre

Roman Catholicism wants to point fingers at individuals (inspite of the injunction of the teaching on the matter, they like to point at the Judas' among any group), when its whole system is corrupt.

Furthermore, it may be demonstrated that the Roman Catholic system is purchasing (behind the scenes) many hospitals (including Seventh-day Adventist ones) and keeping the name outwardly the same, but managing the policy from within, and yet the staff are not primarily of the original founders, but have Catholic chaplains, etc in them.

Consider that within Roman Catholicisms own past (even present today) that they have payments for absolution:

“... The custom of obtaining absolution for sins having been gradually introduced into the Latin Church, the popes took almost exclusive possession of this lucrative branch of revenue. Leo X then ordered lists and catalogues of sins to be drawn up at Rome, designating the sum that was to be paid to obtain absolution for them. Therein we find also permissions and dispensations which concern either the laity or the ecclesiastics, and for the obtaining of which payment was to be made, as is also the custom in the present day in several cases. This ecclesiastical budget is entitled: "Taxes of the Apostolic Chancery," and "Taxes of the Holy Apostolic Penitentiary." This monstrous abuse, as pernicious to morality as to religion, was, for several centuries, set working on a large scale, and procured considerable revenues to the court of Rome. To satisfy the reader's curiosity, we give here an extract of a few of the articles which are found in this work: {1922, HBS 264.2}

For a town to be entitled to coin money, 500 drachms (gros). {1922, HBS 264.3}

Remission given to a rich man for the wealth which he has absconded with, 50d. {1922, HBS 264.4}

For a poor man, 20d. {1922, HBS 264.5}

For a layman not to be bound to observe fasts commanded by the church, and to eat cheese, 20d. {1922, HBS 264.6}

For permission given to counts to eat meat and eggs on forbidden days, on account of their health, 12nd. . . . {1922, HBS 264.7}

For exempting a layman from a vow thoughtlessly made, 12nd. . . . {1922, HBS 264.8}

For enabling a king and queen to procure indulgences, as if they had been to Rome, 200d. {1922, HBS 264.9}

For permission to have mass celebrated in a forbidden place, 10d. {1922, HBS 264.10}

For absolution at the point of death, for one person, 14d. . . . {1922, HBS 264.11}

For the absolution of any one practising usury in secret, 7d. {1922, HBS 264.12}

For the absolution of any one who has been intimate with a woman in a church, and has done any other harm, 6d. . . . . {1922, HBS 264.13}

For the absolution of him who has connu charnellement any female of his kindred, 5d. {1922, HBS 264.14}

For the absolution of him who has violated a virgin, 6d. . . . {1922, HBS 264.15}

For the absolution of perjury, 6d. {1922, HBS 264.16}

For the absolution of any one who has revealed the confession of another person, 7d. . . . {1922, HBS 264.17}

For permission to eat meat, butter, eggs, and whatever is made of milk, during Lent or other fast days, 7d. {1922, HBS 264.18}

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For the absolution of him who has killed his father, mother, brother, sister; wife, or any other of his lay relations, 5 or 6d. . . . {1922, HBS 265.1}

For the absolution of a husband who, beating his wife, causes abortion, 6d. {1922, HBS 265.2}

For a woman who takes any beverage or employs any other means to cause her child to perish, 5d. . . . {1922, HBS 265.3}

For an absolution for spoilers, incendiaries, thieves, and homicidal laymen, 8d. {1922, HBS 265.4}

It would be supererogatory to give further extracts from a book which contains more than eight hundred cases subject to the apostolic tax.—"History of Auricular Confession," Count C. P. de Lasteyrie, (2 vol. ed.) Vol. II, pp. 131-135. London: Richard Bentley, 1848. ...” - The Handbook for Bible Students, Containing Valuable Quotations Relating to the History, Doctrines, and Prophecies of the Scriptures; 1922; Review and Herald Publishing Association; WASHINGTON, D. C.; South Bend, Ind.; Peekskill, N. Y.; Copyright, 1922; Review and Herald Publishing Association; Washington, D. C., pages 264.2-265.4 - Handbook for Bible students : containing valuable quotations relating to the history, doctrines, and prophecies of the Scriptures

https://archive.org/stream/handbookforbible00revi#page/265/mode/1up

 

One might say well that is an 'adventist' source. No, the person is directly citing a Roman Catholic official book, the "Taxae Cancellariae ...":

TAXAE CANCELLARIAE APOSTOLICAE ET TAXAE SACRAE POENITENTIARIAE APOSTOLICAE. Dat is, SCHATTINGE VANDE Cancellarie en Penitentie-kamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert (p.131.) nae't exemplaer van LEO X. tot Romen anno 1514. PAPAL CREST (INSIGNIA LEONIS X., 's HERTOGEN-BOSCH, By Stephanus du Mont, Boeckvercooper. 1664) - Taxae cancellariae apostolicae et taxae sacrae poenitentiariae apostolicae. Dat is, Schattinge vande Cancellarie en Penitentiekamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert p. 131. nae't exemplaer van Leo 10. tot Romen anno 1514

Taxae cancellarie apostolicae et taxae sancte poenitentiariae apostolicae (Romae, 15, 14)

Abortiendi causa potum sumere (page [Latin] Index Rerum Et Verborum, Taxae Apostolicae, section "A", PDF 205) (page 103-104; PDF 126-127, see also [German] Bladt-Wyser, Over de Taxa Cancellariae, PDF 211)

Absolutio a partu abortino (page 103-104; PDF 126-127)

Taxae cancellariae apostolicae et taxae sacrae poenitentiariae apostolicae. Dat is, Schattinge vande Cancellarie en Penitentiekamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert p. 131. nae't exemplaer van Leo 10. tot Romen anno 1514
Taxae cancellariae apostolicae et taxae sacrae poenitentiariae apostolicae. Dat is, Schattinge vande Cancellarie en Penitentiekamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert p. 131. nae't exemplaer van Leo 10. tot Romen anno 1514
Taxae cancellariae apostolicae et taxae sacrae poenitentiariae apostolicae. Dat is, Schattinge vande Cancellarie en Penitentiekamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert p. 131. nae't exemplaer van Leo 10. tot Romen anno 1514
Taxae cancellariae apostolicae et taxae sacrae poenitentiariae apostolicae. Dat is, Schattinge vande Cancellarie en Penitentiekamer vanden Paus van Romen, gecollationeert, gedruckt ende geautentizeert p. 131. nae't exemplaer van Leo 10. tot Romen anno 1514

[Left hand column; Latin] Absolutio pro marito qui (103-104) uxorem suam percussit : de qua peperit abortivum, & ante tempus g. vi

[Left hand column; Latin] et idem pro quolibet alio laico g. vi.

[Left hand column; Latin] Absolutio pro muliere quae bibit aliquem potum, vel alium actum fecit per quem destruxit foetum in utero vivificatum g. v.

[Left hand column; Latin] Nota quod si praemissa committens sit clericus aut prespyter vel foetum destruxerit in utero materno vivificatum: fiet sicut super homicidio laicali, & eadem est poena: de qua quidem poena supra mentio est habita

[Left hand column] Dispensario cum insertione absolutionis pro presbytero saeculari praesente vel absente super homicidio laicali per Fiat de Speciali ad cautelam g. xvi. xvii. xviii. & quandoque xix.

 

Furthermore, Voltaire (the ever consumate Jesuit; playing the role of 'infidel' for Rome) said:

"... TAX-FEE

Pope Pius II., in an epistle to John Peregal, acknowledges that the Roman court gives nothing without money; it sells even the imposition of hands and the gifts of the Holy Ghost; now does it grant the remission of sins to any but the rich.

Before him, St. Antonine, archbishop of Florence, had observed that in the time of Boniface IX., who died in 1404, the Roman court was so infamously stained with simony, that benefices were conferred, not so much on merit, as on those who brought a deal of money. He adds, that this pope filled the world with plenary indulgences; so that the small churches, on their festival days, obtained them at a low price.

That pontiff's secretary, Theodoric de Nieur, does indeed inform us, that Boniface sent questors into different kingdoms, to sell indulgences to such as should offer them as much money as it would have cost them to make journey to Rome to fetch them; so that they remitted all sins, even without penance, to such as confessed, and granted them, for money, dispensations for irregularities of every sort; saying, that they had in that respect all the power which Christ had granted to Peter, of binding and unbinding on earth.

And, what is still more singular, the price of every crime is fixed in a Latin work, printed at Rome by order of Leo X., and published on November 18, 1514, under the title of "Taxes of the Holy and Apostolic Chancery and Penitentiary."

Among many other editions of this book, published in different countries, the Paris edition--quarto 1520, Toussaint Denis, Rue St. Jacques, at the wooden cross, near St. Yves, with the king's privelege, for three years--bears in the frontispiece the arms of France, and those of the house of Medici, to which Leo N. belonged. This must have deceived the author of the "Pictures of the Popes" (Tableau de Papes), who attributes the establishment of these taxes to Leo X., although Polydore Virgil, and Cardinal d'Ossat agree in fixing the period of the invention of the chancery tax about the year 1320, and the commencement of the penitentiary tax about sixteen years later, in the time of Benedict XII.

To give some idea of these taxes, we will here copy a few articles from the chapter of absolutions: Absolution for one who has carnally known hi mother, his sister, etc., cost five drachmas. Absolution for one who has deflowered a virgin, six drachmas. Absolution for one who has revealed another's confession, seven drachmas. Absolution for one who has killed his father, his mother, etc., five drachmas. And so of other sins, as we shall shortly see; but, at the end of the book, the prices are estimated in ducats.

A sort of letters too are here spoken of, called confessional, by which, at the approach of death, the pope permits a confessor to be chosen, who gives full pardon for every sin; these letters are granted only to princes, and not to them without great difficulty. These particulars will be found in page 32 of the Paris edition.

The court of Rome was at length ashamed of this book, and suppressed it as far as it was able. it was even inserted in the expurgatory index of the Council of Trent, on the false supposition that heretics had corrupted it.

It is true that Antoine Du Pinet, a French gentleman of Franche-Comte, had an abstract of it printed at Lyons in 1564, under this title: "Casual Perquisites of the Pope's Shop" (Taxes des Parties Casuelles de la Boutique du Pape), "taken from the [page to page] Decrees, Councils, and Canons, ancient and modern, in order to verify the discipline formerly observed in the Church; by A.D.P." But, although he does not inform us that his work is but an abridgment of the other, yet, far from corrupting his original, he on the contrary strikes out of it some odious passages, such as the following, beginning page 23, line 9 from the bottom, in the Paris edition: "And carefully observe, that these kinds of graces and dispensations are not granted to the poor, because, not having wherewith, they cannot be consoled."

It is also true, that Du Pinet estimates these taxes in tournois, ducats, and carlins; but, as he observes (page 42) that the carlins and the drachmas are of the same value, the substituting for the tax of five, six or seven drachmas in the original, the like number of carlins, is not falsifying it. we have proof of this in the four articles already quoted from the original.

Absolution--says Du Pinet--for one who has a carnal knowledge of his mother, his sister, or any of his kindred by birth or affinity, or his godmother, is taxed at five carlins. Absolution for one who deflowers a young woman, is taxed at six carlins. Absolution for one who reveals the confession of a penitent, is taxed at seven carlins. Absolution for one who has killed his father, his mother, his brother, his sister, his wife, or any of his kindred--they being of the laity--is taxed at five carlins; for if the deceased was an ecclesiastic, the homicide would be obliged to visit the sanctuary. We will here repeat a few others.

Absolution--continues Du Pinet--for any act of fornication whatsoever, committed by a clerk, whether with a nun in the cloister or out of the cloister, or with any of his kinswomen, or with his spiritual daughter, or with any other woman whatsoever, costs thirty-six tournois, three ducats. Absolution for a priest who keeps a concubine, twenty-one tournois, five ducats, six carlins. Absolution of a layman for all sorts of sins of the flesh, is given at the tribunal of conscience for six tournois, two ducats.

The absolution of a layman for the crime of adultery, given at the tribunal of conscience, costs four tournois; and if the adultery is accompanied by incest, six tournois must be paid per head. If, besides these crimes, is required the absolution of the sin against nature, or of beastiality, there must be paid ninety tournois, twelve ducats, six carlins; but if only the absolution of the crime against nature, or of beastiality, is required, it will cost only thirty-six tournois, nine ducats.

A woman who has taken a beverage to procure an abortion, or the father who has caused her to take it, shall pay four tournois, one ducats, eight carlins; and if a stranger has given her the said beverage, he shall pay four tournois, one ducat, five carlins.

A father, a mother, or any other relative, who has smothered a child, shall pay four tournois, one ducat, eight carlins; and if it has been killed by the husband and wife together, they shall pay six tournois, two ducats. ..." - Voltaire (Jesuit): 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters; Candide, A Philosophical Dictionary, A Treatise on Toleration, Plato's Dream, The Princess of Babylon, Zadig, The Huron, Socrates, The Sage and the Atheist, Dialogues, Oedipus, Caesar ... Published by Musaicum Books; Advanced Digital Solutions & High-Quality eBook Formatting - [email protected] ; 2017 OK Publishing; ISBN 978-80-7583-598-7 - VOLTAIRE: 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters

 

“... Research and publications from the Alan Guttmacher Institute in America illustrate some contradictions in the Catholic stance against abortion:

Catholic women in the United States are as likely as women in the general population to have an abortion, and 29% more likely than Protestant women.

Catholic countries, even where abortion is illegal, have high levels of abortions: in Brazil, the estimated number of abortions ranges from 1 million to 2 million per year and in Peru, 5% of women of childbearing age have abortions each year, compared to 3% in the United States.

64% of US Catholics disapprove of the statement that abortion is morally wrong in every case (Survey of 493 Catholics, designed by Lake Research and Tarrance Group, for US News & World Report, Sept. 1995, margin of error ± 4.5%.)

72% of Catholics in Australia say decisions about abortion should be left to individual women and their doctors. (Survey for Family Planning Australia and Children by Choice, Melbourne, AGB McNair, Aug. 1996.) ...” - BBC - Religions - Christianity: Abortion

 

Romanism likes to try to hide behind obfuscation, but the Bible says:

Luk_8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Luk_12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

And so:

“... In 1973, as a result of the Supreme Court decisions, “Roe V. Wade” and “Doe v. Bolton” abortion became legal in the U.S. for all nine months of pregnancy for virtually any reason. The decision of Roe v. Wade was the direct result of two women attorneys from Texas, Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee. ...

... Attorneys Weddington and Coffee made known they were looking for a pregnant woman so they could test the legality of abortion in the courts. Through referrals they discovered Norma McCorvey who claimed to be pregnant as the result of a rape. She was unmarried, unemployed, and pregnant for the second time. Her mother had custody of the first child and her family was not supportive. Norma McCorvey became “Jane Roe”. Henry Wade was the District Attorney of Dallas County Texas where Roe lived. ...

... On January 22, 1973, Justice Henry Blackman ruled on both the cases of Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton legalizing the right for women to get an abortion for virtually any reason through all nine months of pregnancy. This was done by defining “health” as almost any consideration inclusive of physical, emotional, psychological, or social. This is a simplified summary of complex legislation, but the law remains the same today and has resulted in approximately 1.3 million abortions each year in the U.S. This equates to roughly 48 million babies lost to abortion since 1973. ...” - Abortion History » Roman Catholic Diocese of Syracuse#

"... And yet medieval biographies of multiple Irish Catholic saints, including beloved Brigid of Kildare, reverently record abortions among their miracles, and medieval Irish Catholic penitentialists, priestly authorities who prescribed penances for sins and were often celebrated as saints themselves, treated abortion as a relatively minor offence. ...

...Ciarán of Saigir, after he rescued a nun named Bruinnech who had been abducted by a local king. “When the man of God returned to the monastery with the girl, she confessed that she was pregnant. Then the man of God, led by the zeal of justice, not wishing the serpent’s seed to quicken, pressed down on her womb with the sign of the cross and forced her womb to be emptied.” Bruinnech’s feelings about her rape, pregnancy, or abortion are not addressed, apart from her “confession”. ...

... When another nun, pregnant after “fornicating secretly”, had Cainnech of Aghaboe bless her belly, “at once the baby (infans) in her womb vanished without a trace”. ..." - Saints once did abortions – it was a lesser sin than oral sex

Religion of the Supreme Court

Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By a Republican Court?

Moderate Roman Catholic Position on Contraception and Abortion

Abortion

The Straits Times, 20 January 1967, Page 3

40% of Catholic Nuns Have Been Sexually Abused - Apostasynow.org

40% of Catholic Nuns Have Been Sexually Abused - LIBRARY OF MOST CONTROVERSIAL FILES

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-jE87IzV9MFhV07FV/Kennedy - Lucifer's Lodge - Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church (2004)#page/n11/mode/1up

Nuns, rape, and the Zika virus

18th century nun had sought abortion

Little Sisters face new lawsuit over their HHS mandate exemption

The Catholic church is ‘shocked’ at the hundreds of children buried at Tuam. Really? | Emer O’Toole

Pope Francis probably got his history wrong when talking about contraception and Zika

https://www.catholicleague.org/catholics-and-the-supreme-court-an-uneasy-relationship-2/

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/world/documents-allege-abuse-of-nuns-by-priests.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...posed-Sisters-sold-children-fallen-girls.html

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Salient36111973-t1-body-d29-d6.html

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-hospital-owned-by-nuns-will-perform-abortions

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/blog...-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries/

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Bishop-voices-opinion-in-hospital-abortion-issue-266228651.html

http://archive.vcstar.com/news/abortion-vs-saving-mothers-life-ep-368778325-349412731.html/

http://protectthepope.com/?p=8407

https://www.coloradoindependent.com/47198/sisters-of-charity-hospital-deal-altering-denver-area-care

https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...-are-carried-out-at-st-vincents-35654876.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...catholic-hospital-says-in-court-case/1863013/

https://www.aclu.org/blog/reproduct...-rights/one-nations-largest-catholic-hospital

http://www.usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/direct-abortion-statement2010-06-23.pdf

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/33290/which-denominations-allow-abortions-and-why

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/68930/1/Christopoulos_John_201306_Phd_thesis.pdf

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forum

https://books.google.com/books?id=pSPoCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=archbishop+of+Florence,+Antoninus+Abortion&source=bl&ots=_0pE3Egsz-&sig=hmtmgAIOrSicakPjdpbuV1MmTyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjji4LJhrjcAhVk0FQKHbo2As8Q6AEwA3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=archbishop of Florence, Antoninus Abortion&f=false

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/documents/McDonaldAFRICAreport.htm

https://www.actl.com/docs/default-s...fpowell_lectureseries_2017_final.pdf?sfvrsn=6

It's all 'fun an' games' until someone gets hurt is the normal saying, but for a certain system, it is always 'fun an' games' and especially when someone gets hurt, even the unborn.

 

In 2009, doctors at St. Joseph’s Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix performed a life-saving abortion for a seriously ill mother of four. Afterward, the city’s bishop excommunicated a nun on the ethics committee who had approved the procedure. Nun Excommunicated For Allowing Abortion

Lucifer's Lodge: Satanic ritual abuse in the Catholic Church, by Willam H Kennedy, and "sister Charlotte". - Kennedy - Lucifer's Lodge - Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church (2004).pdf (PDFy mirror)

The Straits Times, 20 January 1967 "Nuns Raped in Congo allowed abortions by Church"
The Straits Times, 20 January 1967, Page 3

“... In 1967, when Father Charles Curran of the Catholic University of America publicly rejected the Church’s teaching on birth control ..." - CATHOLICS AND THE SUPREME COURT: AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP

But again, inspite of that wicked system, what does a true Seventh-day Adventist teach? Is it really what Romanism says we do? Why believe a chronic lying system?

"Question 3.—Did Demosthenes, Aristotle, Socrates, and many other Greek philosophers teach morality? And if not did they teach immorality? {May 21, 1891 ATJ, AMS 162.6}

Answer.—They taught what they called morality, but they taught and practiced what was really immorality. Solon and Zeno both practiced what was really immorality. The Greek worship of Venus like that of its Babylonian and Roman counterpart was but open prostitution. The celebration of the mysteries, which was the supreme rite of Greek worship, was but the practice of things unfit to be named, and of which the Scripture has well spoken that "it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret." Plato taught both the expediency and the lawfulness of exposing children to die in particular cases, and Aristotle counselled abortion. Both at Sparta and at Athens the exposure to die, or even the killing of infants, who were weak and imperfect in form, was practiced. Customary swearing was commended by the example of Socrates and Plato. Aristippus maintained that it is lawful for a wise man to steal, to commit adultery, and sacrilege when opportunity offered. Menander taught that a lie is better than a hurtful truth. Plato taught that "he may lie, who knows how to do it in a suitable time." And Socrates practiced such lewdness as is not fit to be named. {May 21, 1891 ATJ, AMS 162.7}

So far indeed were the Greek philosophers from teaching morality that they both taught and practiced what would not be allowed in the category of common civility in our day. In short, if the Greek philosophers could be set down in the United States to-day and should attempt to practice here what they both taught and practiced in Greece, and counted it morality too, the whole gang of them would be in the penitentiary inside of a week, and that would be the place for them too. Because American civilization, to say nothing at all of morality, would not countenance it for a day. {May 21, 1891 ATJ, AMS 162.8} ..." - Alonzo Trevier Jones, The American Sentinel Articles, May 21, 1891, pages 162.6 – 162.8

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"... On the contrary, the philosophers countenanced, both by arguments and example, the most flagitious practices. Thus theft, as is well known, was permitted in Egypt and in Sparta; Plato taught the expediency and lawfulness of exposing children in particular cases; and Aristotle, also, of abortion. The exposure of infants, and the putting to death of children who were weak or imperfect in form, was allowed at Sparta by Lycurgus; at Athens, the great seat and nursery of philosophers, the women were treated and disposed of as slaves, and it was enacted that 'infants, which appeared to be maimed, should either be killed or exposed;' and [15] that 'the Athenians might lawfully invade and enslave any people, who, in their opinion, were fit to be made slaves.' The infamous traffic in human blood was permitted to its utmost extent; and, on certain occasions, the owners of slaves had full permission to kill them. ...{1888 EJW, FACC 14.1}" - Ellet Joseph Waggoner; Fathers of the Catholic Church, Chapter 1, the Heathen World, page 14.1

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* "... "It would be unsavory to describe how far the worship of indecency was carried; how public morals were corrupted by the mimic representations of everything that was vile, and even by the pandering of a corrupt art. The personation of gods, oracles, divination, dreams, astrology, magic, necromancy, and theurgy, 1 all contributed to the general decay. It has been rightly said, that the idea of conscience, as we understand it, was unknown to heathenism. Absolute right did not exist. Might was right. The social relations exhibited, if possible, even deeper corruption. The sanctity of marriage had ceased. Female dissipation and the general dissoluteness led at last to an almost entire cessation of marriage. Abortion, and the exposure and murder of newly-born children, were common and tolerated; unnatural vices, which even the greatest philosophers practiced, if not advocated, attained proportions which defy description." {1888 EJW, FACC 25.1} ..." - Ellet Joseph Waggoner; Fathers of the Catholic Church, Chapter 1, the Heathen World, page 25.1

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“... It would be unsavoury to describe how far the worship of indecency was carried; how public morals were corrupted by the mimic representations of everything that was vile, and even by the pandering of a corrupt art. The personation of gods, oracles, divination, dreams, astrology, magic, necromancy, and theurgy, 4 all contributed to the general decay. It has been rightly said, that the idea of conscience, as we understand it, was unknown to heathenism. Absolute right did not exist. Might was right. The social relations exhibited, if possible, even deeper corruption. The sanctity of marriage had ceased. Female dissipation and the general dissoluteness led at last to an almost entire cessation of marriage. Abortion, and the exposure and murder of newly-born children, were common and tolerated; unnatural vices, which even the greatest philosophers practised, if not advocated, attained proportions which defy description. ...” - Alfred Edersheim, The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth, Book II (Bethlehem to the Baptism in Jordan), Chapter 11 (In the Fifteenth Year of Tiberius Caesar).

 

I have access to the same material (common knowledge among those who study history), even more (especially the recently published Polish documentary, see OP). Thank you for obfuscating.

 

Hey, the sun still shines whether you want to look up and see it or not, whether you close your own eyes and refuse to believe in it. You are as just responsible, even moreso, for having known the information exists, and choose to do nothing, because you would rather pretend it doesn't exist. Just remember, Walter started this. I intend to finish it.

 

This is not on OP topic and reported for not only being slanderous, but also purposefully misrepresentative of facts - Adventist Defense League

SoP/ToJ never says, 'man with beast'. You, again, have misrepresented because you purposefully chose not to seek the time to read the context, and desired to slander.

The context shows 'men with men' (mixing truth and error) and 'beast with beast', thus 'man and beast', not 'man with beast'. You do not seem to grasp the common language of English, of the words 'with' and 'and'.

Even the official response from the White Estate refuted this erroneous (and disgusting) claim a long time ago, but you (purposefully desiring evil) chose simply not to look, for fear of being wrong. - Ellen G. White® Estate: Comments Regarding Unusual Statements Found In Ellen G. White's Writings

Study Genesis 4-9 and you will see, especially in chapter 4 (multiple wives, murder, etc) & 6 ('sons of God' and 'daughters of men') what sister White is speaking of:

"... For some time the two classes remained separate. The race of Cain, spreading from the place of their first settlement, dispersed over the plains and valleys where the children of Seth had dwelt; and the latter, in order to escape from their contaminating influence, withdrew to the mountains, and there made their home. So long as this separation continued, they maintained the worship of God in its purity. But in the lapse of time they ventured, little by little, to mingle with the inhabitants of the valleys. This association was productive of the worst results. "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair." The children of Seth, attracted by the beauty of the daughters of Cain's descendants, displeased the Lord by intermarrying with them. Many of the worshipers of God were beguiled into sin by the allurements that were now constantly before them, and they lost their peculiar, holy character. Mingling with the depraved, they became like them in spirit and in deeds; the restrictions of the seventh commandment were disregarded, "and they took them wives of all which they chose." The children of Seth went[ 82] "in the way of Cain" (Jude 11); they fixed their minds upon worldly prosperity and enjoyment and neglected the commandments of the Lord. Men "did not like to retain God in their knowledge;" they "became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." Romans 1:21. Therefore "God gave them over to a mind void of judgment." Verse 28, margin. Sin spread abroad in the earth like a deadly leprosy. {PP 81.2} ..." - Patriarchs and Prophets, page 81.2

"... Polygamy had been early introduced, contrary to the divine arrangement at the beginning. The Lord gave to Adam one wife, [92] showing His order in that respect. But after the Fall, men chose to follow their own sinful desires; and as the result, crime and wretchedness rapidly increased. Neither the marriage relation nor the rights of property were respected. Whoever coveted the wives or the possessions of his neighbor, took them by force, and men exulted in their deeds of violence. They delighted in destroying the life of animals; and the use of flesh for food rendered them still more cruel and bloodthirsty, until they came to regard human life with astonishing indifference. {PP 91.3} ..." - Patriarchs and Prophets, page 91.3

Not only were persons practicing polygamy, murder, beastiality, and all other manner of idolatry and sin, mankind, even those claiming to serve God, followed not the counsel of God, and married anyone they chose, including those who were not spiritually minded, the 'daughters of men' and brought about corruption, as may be seen over and over again in the Bible:

See the following for comparison with the Genesis 6:2,4 account:

See Abraham and Isaac in Genesis 24:3,37.
See Esau and Jacob in Genesis 26:34,35, 28:8,9 [comparing to Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6], 36:2.
See Isaac and Jacob in Genesis 27:46, 28:1,6
See Jacob and Hamor in Genesis 34:9,14
See Moses in Exodus 34:15,16
See in Deuteronomy 17:17
See Balaam in Numbers 25:1,2,3
See in Judges 3:5,6,7
See Samson the Judge in Judges 14:1,2,3
See the Chronicles in 1 Chronicles 5:24,25
See Ezra in Ezra 9:1,2,11,12
See Nehemiah in Nehemiah 9:2, 10:28,29,30, 13:23,25,26,27
See Solomon in 1 Kings 11:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8

Many “Sons of God” “looked”/“saw” [“saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair” and “took them wives of all which they chose” [Genesis 6:2]] and "beheld" [Just as did Samson, “she pleaseth me well”, or King David who went after Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite and his friend, through covetousness had Uriah killed in action “from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman [was] very beautiful to look upon” [2 Samuel 11:2, 12:9] and Solomon who “multiplied wives” and “loved many strange women” and all Israel who took of the “daughters of the land”], and then “lusted and coveted” and so were ensnared being “Vex[ed], Beguiled, To Commit Trespass Against The LORD, Commit Fornication, Eat things sacrificed unto Idols, worshipped idols” [Numbers 25:18, 31:16; Revelation 2:14]:

Jude 1:11 KJB - Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

See also the words of Jesus, as it was in the days of Noah and Lot:

Job 21:7,14, 22:15,16,17; Matthew 24:37,38; Luke 17:26,27; 2 Peter 2:5, 3:3,6.

In the greater overall picture there is a like message and call for the “people of God” also today to “come out” of “Spiritual Babylon” [just as God had done with physical Babylon; Jeremiah 51:9; Isaiah 52:11] that “great Whore” [Revelation 17:1, 19:2]:

See 2 Corinthians 6:14,15,16,17,18; Revelation 18:4

There were also breeding among animals (as is today) that breed weak and confused animals (chihuahua, etc) and also terrifying mutations. Mankind abused their knowledge and sought to bring out in the animal the corruption of their original traits, turning desire into bloodlust, turning hunger into killers, etc.

If you even bothered to read even the Jewish sources, they admit these things also, including sodomy as one of the very things that brought the flood, for even Jesus said as much, as it was in the days of Lot, days of Noe, etc.

But you do not care about truth, do you utilyan, only what you can do to justify yourself, and the evil ways thereof.

 

Not really. He asked about 'remnant', but should have asked about 'corporation'. Difference. The 'remnant' (myself included therein) doesn't sanction any of the breaking of God's law (I cited James White, etc already). But keep pointing to Judas', and blaming Jesus, Caiaphas.

When are you going to deal with the facts as cited in your own backyard Walter?

 

Let us definitionally define "abortion":

"AN EXPLANATION OF MEDICAL TERMS USED IN THIS WORK, AND IN MEDICAL WORKS GENERALLY

... Abortion. A miscarriage, or producing a child before the natural time of birth. {1868 JNL, HBH 214.3} ..." - John Norton Loughborough, The Handbook of Health, page 214.3

Is a "miscarriage" a sin? (Depends on how it took place.) Is "producing a child before the natural time of birth" a sin? (did the child live? how did the event take place).

 

Voltaire (the consumate Jesuit, playing the infidel for Rome, said):

"... If the persecuting of those who differ from us in opinion is a holy action, it must be confessed that he who had murdered the greatest number of heretics would be the most glorious saint in Heaven. If so, what a pitiful figure would be a man who had only stripped his brethren of all they had, and thrown them to rot in a dungeon, make, in comparison with the zealot who had butchered his hundreds on the famous day of St. Bartholomew? This may be proved as follows:

The successor of St. Peter and his consistory cannot err; they approved, they celebrated, they consecrated the action of St. Bartholomew; consequently that action was holy and meritorious; and, by a like deduction, he who of two murderers, equal in piety, had ripped up the bellies of eighty Huguenot women big with child would be entitled to double the portion of glory of another who had butchered but twelve; ..." - Voltaire: 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters; Candide, A Philosophical Dictionary, A Treatise on Toleration, Plato's Dream, The Princes of Babylon, Zadig, The Huron, Socrates, The Sage and the Atheist, Dialogues, Oedipus, Caesar ... Published by Musaicum Books; 2017 OK Publishing; ISBN 978-80-7583-598-7 - VOLTAIRE: 60+ Works in One Volume - Philosophical Writings, Novels, Historical Works, Poetry, Plays & Letters

See also Voltaire's "Henriade, Canto 2" - The Henriade,: An Epic Poem, in Ten Cantos. Translated from the French of Voltaire, Into English ...

 

St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre:

“... Saint Bartholomew's Day, Massacre of (2008) Encyclopædia Britannica Deluxe Edition, Chicago; Hardouin de Péréfixe de Beaumont, Catholic Archbishop of Paris a century later, put the number at 100,000, but "This last number is probably exaggerated, if we reckon only those who perished by a violent death. But if we add those who died from wretchedness, hunger, sorrow, abandoned old men, women without shelter, children without bread,—all the miserable whose life was shortened by this great catastrophe, we shall see that the estimate of Péréfixe is still below the reality." G. D. Félice (1851). History of the Protestants of France. New York: Edward Walker, p. 217. ...” - St. Bartholomew's Day massacre - Wikipedia

Lord Acton (A Roman Catholic, "... at Cambridge he regularly attended Mass, and he received the last sacraments, at Tegernsee, on his death-bed. ..." - CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Lord Acton ) wrote:

"... [page 115 (PDF 163)] The opinion that the Massacre of St. Bartholomew was a sudden and unpremeditated act cannot be maintained. . . .

“[page 116 (PDF 164)] By the month of February, 1572, the plan had assumed a practical shape. . . .

“[page 117 (PDF 165)] The court had determined to enforce unity of faith in France. An edict of toleration was issued for the purpose of lulling the Huguenots; but it was well known that it was only a pretense. Strict injunctions were sent into the provinces that it should not be obeyed; and Catherine said openly to the English envoy, ‘My son will have exercise but of one religion in his realm.’ On the twenty-sixth [of February] the king explained his plan to Mondoucet, his agent at Brussels: ‘Since it has pleased God to bring matters to the point they have now reached, I mean to use the opportunity to secure a perpetual repose in my kingdom, and to do something for the good of all Christendom. It is probable that the conflagration will spread to every town in France, and that they will follow the example of Paris, and lay hands on all the Protestants. . . . [page 117] I have written to the governors to assemble forces in order to cut to pieces those who may resist.’ The great object was to accomplish the extirpation of Protestantism in such a way as might leave intact the friendship with Protestant states. . . .

“[page 133 (PDF 181)] Salviati had written on the afternoon of the twenty-fourth [of August]. . . . [page 133 (PDF 181)] It was a fair sight to see the Catholics in the streets wearing white crosses, and cutting down heretics; and it was thought that, as fast as the news spread, the same thing would be done in all the towns of France. This letter was read before the assembled cardinals at the Venetian palace, and they thereupon attended the pope to a Te Deum in the nearest church. [page 134 (PDF 182)] The guns of St. Angelo were fired in the evening, and the city was illuminated for three nights. To disregard the pope’s will in this respect would have savored of heresy. Gregory XIII exclaimed that the massacre was more agreeable to him than fifty victories of Lepanto. For some weeks the news from the French provinces sustained the rapture and excitement of the court. It was hoped that other countries would follow the example of France; the emperor was informed that something of the same kind was expected of him. On the eighth of September the pope went in procession to the French church of St. Lewis, where three and thirty cardinals attended at a mass of thanksgiving. On the eleventh he proclaimed a jubilee. In the bull he said that forasmuch as God had armed the king of France to inflict vengeance on the heretics of the rebellion which had devastated his kingdom, Catholics should pray that he might have grace to pursue his auspicious enterprise to the end, and so complete what he had begun so well. . . ." - Lord Acton, The History of Freedom and Other Essays by John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton, First Baron Acton; D.C.L., LL.D., Etc. Etc. Regius Professor of Modern History in the University of Cambridge; Edited with an Introduction by John Neville Figgis, Litt.D.; sometime Lecturer in St. Catherine's College, Cambridge; and Reginald Vere Laurence, M.A.; Fellow and Lecturer of Trinity College, Cambridge; Macmillan and Co., Limited; St. Martin's Street, London, 1919. - The History Of Freedom And Other Essays The History Of Freedom And Other Essays The History Of Freedom And Other Essays The History Of Freedom And Other Essays The History Of Freedom And Other Essays

 

Let's see if those posting in this thread, as 'site supporters' are able to buy their way out of this, as they of old tried to do.

1Ti_6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Psa 49:6 They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;

Psa 49:7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Let's see if leadership will continue to accept blood money, for the price of the innocent.

Jas 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

Jas 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Jas 5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

"... behold, the judge standeth before the door."