A Simple Question With Implications.

First, welcome to the forums.

Second, there are many types of Baptist, and although the Calvinists would love to change that, the majority of Baptists do not believe in election since before time began.

So, this post should most likely be in the Arminian vs. Calvinist debate section which is not in the Baptist-only section.

Quite frankly, your question doesn’t apply to all Baptists.

 

MartyF,

So you are saying the majority of baptists do not believe the [Calvinistic] doctrine of election?

 

I would say the majority of Baptists definitely believe Ephesians 1:4.

 

I'm not a Calvinist. But a good God might be able to get away with running a Calvinist system for educational purposes create vast hordes who are damned and otherwise would never existed and equally just as separated from God as tho annihilated.

I sometimes attempt to contemplate a scenario to reconcile the Calvinist side with non Calvinist.

Can God pull off a Calvinist system that is TRULY GOOD and with a happy ending. I think he can do the impossible.

Lets start first with evil. Evil has its foundation in ignorance. And it is easily distinguishable as our maturity. The more evil you are the more immaturity is involved.

To God the most hideously spiteful evil person compares to a baby infant with the audacity to grab your finger and gnaw at it with his toothless mouth. The infants' intent may be nothing short of murder! But its cute.

Evil is harmless to God.

Romans 11

30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.


God will show you mercy on account of someone else being evil. So that mercy intended for another might come to you a grafted in branch. But the mercy shown to you THEY ALSO MAY NOW BE SHOWN MERCY.
God has thrown everyone in the same basket of disobedience. Both the best and worst. So he can have mercy on all.


When someone does evil they are victim to terrorizing motivations. Every sin is intrinsically dumb. There is no way around it, its plain ignorant.

God will ditch 99 good sheep for a lost one. Would 99 saints give up their salvation for the chance of one who never loved God to have a chance to change? They might. God is willing even to give up his own son for the sake of another. The love of God might even allow him to love someone who might only exist in a very optional Calvinist existence. Maybe even just to save one person even at the "price" of damnation to all other souls.

That is just one tiny attempt at a theory from me. God is a lot smarter than I am. There might be a solution to Calvinism we just haven't thought it through.

So in my scenario which could be absolutely wrong. God might allow for existence of very pure unrepentant evil with the educational purpose of teaching the redeemable. If God knows everything he may eve know what its like to be forcibly "good"

Again God is a lot smarter There might be a solution to Calvinism we just haven't thought it through.

 

Please go back. Read again my posts.
Please stop putting words in my mouth because by so doing you become a false witness and a slanderer.
Please don't use pejorative language when referring to the Bible, God's word.

Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

 

We don't believe in "unconditional election." There is a difference between the biblical doctrine of election and the Calvinistic view of "unconditional election." It's the same with our rejection of "total depravity." While we believe in the depravity of man, we don't accept the view of "total depravity."

 

Right, but Eph. 1:3-4 isn't saying that God chose who would or would not be saved. It is talking about what has chosen and predestinated for Christians to become. That passage refers to the end goal that God has in play for those who are redeemed.

 

Who was speaking in this text, and what is its context when this 'person' said, "If thou doest well, shall thou not be accepted"?:

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

What does "if" mean?

Does God's Holy Spirit "strive with man"? If so, what for?, in your world view? If as you claim, God made them that way, what is the point of God 'striv[ing]'? It would be like a person trying to convince a robot they made to do other than what the designer programmed it to do, which would make the programmer insane (much like the god some people around here worship)

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

What was David afraid of? Why, what did he see happen to King Saul?

Psa_51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

What in the world was Joshua doing asking people to 'choose'?, was he just programmed that way, even though both groups of people could not possibly choose other than what thy were programmed to do?

Jos_24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

The theology you espouse will lead many people to destruction simply because of what its end result teaches, and not merely that, but blasphemes God directly. There is a woe upon you. You are warned. I told you the truth. In the day to come, you will be reminded of this conversation. You will then acknowledge the truth of what was said and shared with you from the scripture about God's perfect loving character. Therefore, seek God for repentance, and confess your error, otherwise, your chosen delusion will only grow the worse and darkness increase.

 

Here is Satan's own, your very own Harlot.

 

You just cant engage in a respectful or fruitful discussion with this clown.