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Communism Expert on What’s Behind the Push for Open Borders

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by GoodTidings, May 30, 2019.

  1. FollowTheWay

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    I understand that as Trump says there are no more facts. That's why you ignore them when faced with the truth. I deal with facts and rational analysis. You can't seem to be able to do that so I'm going to stop wasting my time.
     
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    The "communism expert" is an expert only in his own fevered imagination. I could say I'm a "communism expert" with more authority than this numbskull, having read Marx, Lenin, Engels, Feuerbach, Rosa Luxemburg, the Nihilists, Trotsky and Mao.
     
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    What I am saying is that there is more to the story than you Leftists want to face up to. The one unable to deal with facts is you. I am not going to sit by and let you smear Trump and twist the story so as to only allow certain facts to be included in what took place. You only want to deal with a certain set of facts and ignore any information that doesn't fit the narrative that you want.

    You do not deal with facts and analysis. You do nothing but parrot liberal talking points.
     
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    Please show me evidence that the permit for the rally was obtained by someone who was not a Neo-Nazi. That was the point you were trying to make.
     
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    The media calls everyone on the right a white supremacist. Jason Kessler is a white supremacist according to the Left's over-broad definition of what a "white supremacist" is. I, myself, would fall under the mantle of "white supremacist" by the Left's definition and application of that term. So, I am really skeptical when the media throws terms like "white supremacist" around.

    The phrases "alt-right" and "white nationalist" and white supremacist are all terms the Left uses to demonize Trump and Trump supporters. If you are patriotic, Christian, white, and you support Trump You are called a "Nazi" and you are called a white supremacist. It is just the Left's latest use of the race card to demonize people that don't hold to the Left's radical, Communist/Socialist vision for America.

    Most people like Kessler are demonized as white supremacist because they push back against the anti-white rhetoric, anti-white propaganda and the demonization of conservatives that the Left has been engaging in at least the last half of Obama's administration and since the election of Trump. He is accused of setting up a Neo-Nazi rally and he is not a member of that organization.

    Unfortunately, every media outlet follows the same script and reports the same information almost verbatim, it seems.

    The media gets it wrong about everything. They got it wrong about Covington, Smollett, Russia collusion, and a number of other stories that they report on and then we find out they got it completely wrong. So I don't trust the mainstream media to accurately or truthfully report on anything, much less anyone they don't approve of. The mainstream media is in the back pocket of the Left and the Left is dishonest, racist, pro-terrorism, anti-America and anti-Christian. So if that is where you are getting your information from, it explains why your posts drip with flawed information, and baseless facts. Anyone who resorts to Wikipedia is not getting the truth.
     
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    You claimed the permit was not obtained by a radical right person. Prove it.
     
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    I am saying that by the standard the Left has set, everyone on the Left, including those who opposed removing Confederate statues, are radicals/Nazis. I would be a "radical" by their standards. They label people like me as radical right, as Nazis, white supremacists, as so on. To them, anyone who supports Trump is "radical right" and that most Trump supporters are racists and so on. So yes, the liberal media outlets all claim that that Jason Kessler is a radical, right, Neo-Nazi because that is how they want to frame everything having to do with those who oppose taking down Confederate statues and who support Trump.

    I am not saying that I would agree with Kessler on everything, but there is a phrase made up by the Left known as "the alt right" to include Trump supporters as "racists." In fact, "alt right" and "racist/Neo Nazi/white supremacist are virtually synonymous terms where those on the Left are concerned. He may be part of the "alt right," but that does not make him a Neo Nazi.

    What I am saying is that the original rally goers were not actual white supremacists despite what the MSM says. The Left says that this was a white supremacist rally. I am saying that the initial reporting, until the MSM took complete control of the narrative and painted everyone at the rally as a white supremacists, is that the original purpose of the rally was to protest the removal of a Confederate statue. It was not originally billed as a white supremacist rally, or whatever.

    But the liberal media has painted anyone who opposes removing Confederate statues as supporting white supremacy and slavery. So everyone at the rally, regardless of why they were really there, was a white supremacist, Neo-Nazi and there is no way for me to "prove" the opposite because the mainstream media has complete control of the narrative. The original reports have been scrubbed to allow for only ONE narrative.

    It's kind of like after 9/11 there were all kinds of images and video of Muslims in the US rejoicing over the destruction of the twin towers. But you cannot find those videos anymore. I saw them, and I know people who remember them just as I do, but you cannot find them any longer. The media has scrubbed them. No doubt to protect the image of Islam in the US.

    Originally, the rally was about something else. The media took Trump's words somewhat out of context and made it appear that he was praising white supremacists/Neo Nazis. But that was not really the case. Trump recognized that not everyone at the rally was an actual white supremacist and that the purpose of the rally was legal and peaceful and was going to be an exercise in free speech in protest of the removal of the historical statue. The left made it out to be something else and that narrative has dominated the air waves.

    The Left has used their contorted version of what happened at Charlottesville to demonize the Republican party as a party that supports white supremacy. It has used that contorted version of events to claim that Trump supports white supremacy when ALL of the objective evidence about Trump dating back to the 80s proves that he is not a racist at all.

    When Trump purchased Mar-A-Lago, his was the first country club in that part of the Florida to allow African-Americans to be members. He has done a lot of things over the years to help African Americans, but those things ae ignored by the Left that tries to control the narrative of his life to make him out to be something he is not.

    The Left is very, very dishonest and this is one of the issue about which they are dishonest.
     
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    You not correct since the rally was organized and led by racient Neo-Nazi's. We're talking specifically about this Charlottsville rally. OK?
     
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    Yep, there were every group under the sun there at Charlottesville - true Neo-Nazis, the KKK, Antifa, BLM, but there were also conservatives that attended to protest the removal of Confederate statues, as well as liberals that went when they heard the name Richard Spencer.

    One of the big problems here is that the MSM lumped them all together as "the right". The dude that "organized" is a big puzzle - what is he? Jason Kessler. He was OWS and a big Obama supporter, then he "converted" in November 2016 to a Neo-Nazi, Supposedly, the statue thing tipped him over, don't believe it, then he founded some group and named it "Unite the Right"?

    That even sounds like a far-left name, and if you know anything about conservative politics, uniting is a thing of the left, and note he didn't call it "Unite the white". Then, his side looked nothing like Tea Party attendees, with Jason's people waving new Confederate flags and pre-made signs. This can mean only one of two things - either it's a false flag operation totally or Jason here is just an old rabble-rouser and flocks to the side that gives him the most attention. The MSM can't tell the difference between him and Trump, of the difference between him and you.
     
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    Even Candace Owens has been labeled a white supremacist by Leftists/Progressives! They apply their labels in whatever way suits their agenda, and their dedicated "educated" disciples seem all too ready to be deceived. How easy it is to fall for their lies when being complimented for "thinking for yourself."
     
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    If only ——— !!!!!!
     
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    But the point is that the media labels anyone on the alt right as a Neo-Nazi. They claim that it was organized and led by Neo-Nazis because they call EVERYONE that disagrees with them "Neo-Nazis" or "white supremacists" or whatever. It makes it impossible to talk about Neo-Nazis in a meaningful way when it becomes a term to smear your political opponents. But that is what the Left has done in regard to that rally.

    For years, if we disagreed with any of Obama's policies, we were labeled "racist." That way they didn't have to have an actual discussion that would address the problems in his policies. What you guys on the Left have done is make terms like "racism/racist" "white supremacy" etc. completely meaningless. Democrats and the radical Left cannot win a debate based on facts, truth, morality or logic. Terms like "racist" and now "white supremacy" are the all-purpose weapons of the Left to shut down debates they are not winning. This makes those terms meaningless and less impactful when REAL racism actually occurs.

    The idea that Republicans are allies of Neo-Nazis has no basis in fact, and you cannot point to any time the RNC or any conservative PAC, or whatever, endorsed and/or allied with Neo-Nazis or white supremacist groups. All you are doing is repeating the same tired Leftist talking points that have no basis in truth or reality.

    That is why you brought up the rally. We are talking about the rally because you are using it to prove something that didn't happen. Trump did not and has not praised Neo-Nazis. That was not in his comments, but you cannot be honest or fair about what Trump actually said because you are hell-bent in perverting his words into something racist to support your own agenda.
     
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    Isn't that crazy? That's why I say that they make those terms meaningless when they apply to anyone who disagrees with them. To call a black person a white supremacist for being conservative is, on its face, racist.

    80's pop singers Sinead O'Connor, a white woman, now hates white people and says she does not want to be around white people. When a white person hates other white people because they're white, you can rest assured the brainwashing is complete.
     
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    Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019
    Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019

    1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations.

    1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said.

    1991:
    A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.

    1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

    2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

    2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.
    2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student.
     
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    Vox? Really?! Your source has lied about trumps remarks with regards to Illegal Criminal Aliens. He did not call Mexican Immigrants criminals and Rapists as if all Mexicans were. He said Mexico was sending us their criminals and Rapists. Two different things.

    Neither did he say that all Muslims should be banned.

    Not wanting to rent to welfare recipients in not racism.



    Hearsay

    Again hearsay

    Was Trump directly involved in this? Did he give the order to do this?

    None of this is racist. Just because someone does something that effects a person of color negatively doesnt make it racist. There is no "Pattern"
     
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    Nothing you posted is actual, viable evidence of racism.

    First of all, your source is a notorious radical Leftist site like Vox media. That, on its own, shows that you don't have any credible claims of racism. Claims of Trump saying racist things are hearsay and not actual, credible evidence. I could make up false stories claiming you said terrible things. It would carry no weight.

    As for Obama, there is a lot of mystery surrounding his real birth place. Here is a video of Obama calling himself the first "Kenyan American to President of the United States" >>> obama video first us president from kenya - Bing video
    Here, he claims to be first "sitting American president to come from Kenya":>>> obama video first us president from kenya - Bing video

    Secondly, no one was calling him a racist until he ran for president. Prior to running for president, celebrities and politicians were always including Trump in their circles. Politicians on both sides hit him up for large campaign donations. He was a media darling until he ran for president. Celebrities from Hollywood went to his parties and invited him to their parties. Not one claim of racism. Suddenly, when he is running for president he is a racist. They called him an anti-Semite, but that has been disproven.

    In fact, the real history of Trump, and not the manufactured version that you present, has shown conclusively that he is not a racist.
     
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