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The silence of Holy Scripture.

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    Where Holy Scripture is silent does not disallown what we can know from science. One place where creation science can be wrong, will be arguments from silence. The logical fallacy of argument from silence.
     
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    Much theory Science claimed in the past, later proved that was not true, but false. Even now, after so much evolution, for example, the age of Earth: Science presently suppose to be more than 14 billion years. On the other hand, theologians claim to be 6000 years old, absurd, it becomes ridiculous. Both sides, in this case, are totally wrong. By the way, God is from Eternity to Eternity or from Everlasting to Everlasting, 14 billion years is a blink of an eye.
     
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    No. It is believed to be the age of the solar system being dated at 4.5 billion years, on dating of space rocks at 4.5 billion years old. Our observable universe being dated to be about 14 (13.8) billion years old.
     
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    I believe we have to compare the doctrine (the science) to applicable doctrines towards which Scripture is not silent.
     
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    Many theories of human science of the past have proved wrong with the evolution of measurement systems. By analogy, I am sure that the errors are still going on. By your words, it must be said that there is no security in the numbers you have presented, based on human science. In fact they are mere conjectures. In the future, when scientists to invent more capable measuring instruments, surely the numbers you have presented will change and always larger, obviously. It means that what the scientists states is now, it is not true.

    In the other hand, I work with the Word of God. By the way, the Word is God, and He will that who believe in Him comes to rich himself of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God-Christ, in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

    That said, I would say: let us render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

    For my part, I will await the discovery of more capable measuring equipment, and yet I will be sure that they will need to advance much more, if they have time, of course, because the end of the systems that exist in all human structures is near, they will suffer severe impacts from now on.

    Taking advantage of the opportunity, just for comparisons, could you tell when scholars or scientists have discovered that the earth is round or more or less rounded?

    And who was the first scholar or scientist to claim that the Earth is suspended in space?
     
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    Aristotle (fourth century B.C.) argued that the earth was spherical. Eratosthenes (third century B.C.) was able to calculate, with some accuracy, the circumference of the spherical earth.

    I assume that sailors (and coastal dwellers) knew of the spherical shape of the earth early on because they could see it from the way that ships and islands disappeared and appeared on the horizon.
     
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    Yes, JESUS is God. We know that the Son of God is come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true, and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This - JESUS Christ - is the true God, and eternal life.

    Ephesians 5:v. 5 speaks not of mystery, but of sins. The same author of Ephesians, Paul de Apostle, wrote to the Church of Colossians, saying: "That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the MYSTERY of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are HID all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words. Col.2:v.3-4

    Isaiah was a messianic prophet. The own JESUS confirmed Isaiah 44:v. 6 after His ascension, saying: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev.1:v.8
    Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen! And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Rev.1:v.6-7
     
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    A mystery in the Bible is something that once was hidden but is now made clear. Thus Ephesians 5:5..
     
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    Hi

    Ok. As I said above, I work with the Word of God, by the way, God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God. I asked two questions in my post above, only for comparisons between what the Bible says and what scholars say or scientists,or even History, say about it.

    I asked two questions in my post, just for comparisons between what the Bible says and what scholars or scientists, or even history, say about it. Comparing the dates you commented, then who first revealed the Earth is round is the Bible, around 750 years BC, according to the language of the Scriptures: Isaiah 40:v.21-22
    21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
    22 It is He that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

    Ok, and regarding the second question: Who first revealed that the planet Earth is hanging in space? The Bible or the scientists?
     
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    Nice try. The circle of the earth could just as easily describe as flat disk as a sphere. And I am guessing that you are relying on Job for suspending the earth. What exactly does that mean?
     
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    Eph.5:v.5 - 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. - God is a title, the Word is God, the Invisible God -

    Matthew 11:v.25-27
    25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
    27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
     
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    The own God revealed to the prophet Isaiah that He is sat on the Circle of the Earth, for whom its inhabitants appear like grasshoppers, He was not showing the earth to Isaiah as you are thinking, of course.

    The tópic is: The silence of Holy Scripture.

    I work with the Holy Scripture, that is the Word of God. There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, - God the Father - , and the Word, - the Word made flesh - JESUS - and the Holy Spirit - and these three are One.

    As I said, my questions were only for comparisons between what science says and the Bible. So, who first revealed the planet Earth is hanging in space? The Bible or the scientists?
     
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