Once saved, always saved?

Did you read his post? He said she is an atheist. This is not an uncommon occurrence, just one that Baptist other than Freewill Baptist would rather not discuss. I went to Biola College and Cal. Baptist College. I know several students that were 'on fire for the Lord' and ministerial students that went on to seminary and pastured large Baptist congregations. Two of them have renounced their belief in Christ and are now atheist.

Apetivist: A former Southern Baptist minister turned atheist and free thinker due to research in Theology and Apologetics.

I think one of the biggest former Baptist evangelist/pastors that says he believed in evangelical 'born again theology' and by continued research and investigation came to renounce it all is Bart Erhman. He was the lead pastor of a really large Baptist church and taught apologetics to his congregation. Here is more about him:

Skeptic Bart Ehrman on Whether Jesus Really Existed

These are just a couple of examples. The list is really quite long and as I said, I know several former 'Bible-believing Baptist pastors' who now believe the message they bought hook, line and sinker is pure bunk. It's really quite sad but I truly believe they had the same 'born-again experience' you claim and now, as ChurchofChristsguy's mother, renounce it with no intention of embracing it again.

Those of you who hold to Eternal Security have little choice. You either believe these people 'must not have really ever have been truly saved to begin with', or that they are still saved based on their previous profession of faith.

Many on this board have told me that I must not have ever really been saved to begin with because I have become a Catholic Christian.

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As a Baptist, I would have answered as any Baptist would answer on this board. I now answer that we are save by grace through faith in Christ, working in love. Have I lost my salvation since I embrace this biblical confession with all my heart. Yeshua1 says I now believe a false gospel. If that is true, how can I be saved?

 

Take heart. There are a number of things being overlooked concerning Hebrews 6. This is a bone of contention for baptist. I have had numerous debates with them concerning this.You can fall away. Once saved always saved is a false doctrine. However, your mother was not brought to full restoration to begin with, it is more of an aborting in mid growth. Did she taste the heavenly gifts as Judas did? Those gifts are: Healing, prophecy, gift of tongues, casting out devils and raising the dead etc....She never had these gifts. She simply spread Christ's name. Christ is merciful, and she did not reach the point of full restoration. She was baptized and born again but did not mature fully in the rebirth. She aborted her faith at a small development stage.

She has come to the conclusion that she can not be forgiven for her weakness of the flesh. She has resolved herself to " Christ can not forgive my sin" and therefore asserts she is atheist. Far worse crimes in the Old Testament happened than what she committed by far better people (men) than she . Better in the fact that they had a more intimate relationship with God than her and they were forgiven. She needs to acknowledge her own weakness and know she can come back to Christ. It is after having had the spiritual gifts like Judas experienced and then fall away, as Judas did, that you can not come back again. That is spiritual suicide and is what Judas's suicide represents.

I see you are a non baptist Christian. What denomination was your mother? I think she was of some non Queen denomination Catholic , Orthodox , The first Anglican and early Lutheran. But rather a concubine denomination which means of one without Rites and Altars but only a pulpit which does not hold the dogma of the faith through Rites. If there were no Rites she did not hold the heart of the faith to begin with . If so she never truly held a royal priesthood doctrine but only a name in practice without the spiritual gifts.
You might be confused by the language I use. I am speaking from the Song of Songs . The song of Solomon is God's. Since all scripture is God breathed..... all students of scripture know that Solomon's song therefore is God's. It is a song of love for Christ chosen which reveals His mercy to all through them . I will not get into all the details in this post, but you and your mother need to take heart and know , she can be redeemed. But once fully restored she must not look left or right. She must stay on the straight and narrow( stay within the temple where Christ inwardly dwells... AND COVERS THE SOUL). The Rosary will help, confession and then receiving the Eucharist. Peace in Christ!

 

Either one actually knows a thing or one has not yet actually known a thing.

Geniune Christians actually know God. Those who where once professing Christians and now atheists could never have been genuine Christians by reason that they do not know God.

 

This does not negate choice. Choices simply means you are willing to let Jesus take the wheel. Personal choice is always at play.From the time of Adam and Eve God has allowed us to decide to invite what we will into our lives. Even divine intervention( a very hard persuasion ) as with St. Paul ,still leaves room open to vacate. Judas is the example of one who vacated his calling to serve the synagogue of satan. If there is not a chance of that happening Judas would have never lost his station to another. God does not allow for arrogance or presumptuousness , HUMILITY ! As it says in Revelation " Be careful no one else receives your crown".

Revelation 3:10-
To the Church in Philadelphia
…10Because you have kept My command to endure with patience, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. 12The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.…

Victory is fully realized when you have ran your race and won. This is at the end of your life.
Philippians 3:12-13
12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been perfected, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have laid hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,…
POINT: We must just press forward, no looking back, learning and preaching the good news of Christ as Christ taught. Applying always the Full Doctrine of the faith which is Dogma. No one can say for sure he will finish victoriously to the end. No doubt there are victories in the the process but surety , without question, it is not known until our end that you won. I say press on! Let God judge ! For His judgements are good and Righteous.Peace in Christ.

P.S. : Predestination....is so, however, it is clear it is something that God only knows for sure based on the above quotes of scripture. God does not allow us to know for sure until the end or else we become puffed up. Hence, the lessons of Judas and Revelation and Philippians. Point: live with humility and fear of the Lord. Fear of God is wisdom, and love others as yourself .

 

John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

"and they shall never perish" actually a double negative - permitted in Koine Greek - "and the shall never never perish"

or "they shall never ever perish".

I give unto them eternal life... How long is eternity?

 

This is true and what I have posted is true. I personally do not post scripture AGAINST scripture. If what I say is true because scripture well.....can not lie or God is a liar then for you to post that against what is obviously being stated in what I shared, what can we deduce? One of us misunderstands the scriptures.

'My Sheep hear My voice"??? It is clear they do, but does that mean you or I know for sure who those sheep are? Again we can assume based on Judas's story, that even though he responded to the call, he was revealed to not be Christ's. The POINT: Christ knows us, both wheat and weeds respond, but for sure it is Christ who knows for sure. I am not wrong in my understanding of the WHOLE scriptures which support both you and I. "MY SHEEP hear MY voice", that is clear and what is His voice? Are you sure you hold the TRUE FULL DOCTRINE? See, that is the crux of the matter. You are in here fighting about doctrine, saying to the other " You hold false doctrine " and the other to you " no you hold false doctrine". So who really hears Christ's voice? Do you or do I?

Lastly is what I posted false? Is it saying what I say it says or does it say something else? Does it contradict the scripture you posted or does your interpretation contradict ? I do not question what you posted, but who truly hears Christ's voice? The sheep hear and He knows them, but it is clear even goats respond to the call. So do you know for sure what you are? Have you been given to Christ by the Father or have I? Shall we find out?

 

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

For some years I endured the sense of total separation from God as portrayed in the 88th Psalm (read it).
Over those same years my sense of dwelling in Christ increased as i continued in seeking His word in the scripture.

I am not a goat of this the Spirit assures my spirit.

Of this I cannot prove to you or any other but then again to prove it I have no need.

Salvation is promised by grace through faith, assurance is not always so.

However Assurance is attainable if we walk in the light.

1 John 1
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

Hebrews 11:1-3 Faith and Assurance

1Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. 2This is why the ancients were commended.
HOPE MEANS :a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen or outcome. The certain thing to happen is the outcome of spending eternity with God which in faith will be assured . Who truly has faith? I say , I have faith, another may say I do not but am part of a heretic denomination. Yet only in faith does one know and find out for sure. Faith is revealed through patience ,enduring all things which come against us. Though God knows who are for Christ, that is still something that we do not know for sure until we finish our race. Hearing Christ's voice?..... many people think they do. However, it is clear not all who call themselves Christian really hold to a complete doctrine. If people do not hold the full doctrine of Christ and apply His every Word, how can they be hearing His voice? For sure the faithful's outcome is made clear through clear understanding of the written Word, it is hearing it in the heart , a heart that was predestined in design by God the Father. Who reveals who are the sheep and who are actually the wolves in sheep's clothing . Being a sheep..... that means you follow Christ wherever He goes. You have what Christ has, for you have been made in His image.That means you have His Mother as mother and the apostles as brothers. We know not yet what we will become but when we shall see Him we shall be like Him. That would indicate that what is for Christ (The Head) is for the body .

I argue many protestants reject what is for the Body.
Water baptism for all including infants. the three forms of baptism , immersion, pouring and sprinkling (I'll prove all are acceptable if challenged in another post). Christ real present in the Eucharist , consecrated by A HOLY PRIEST NOT A PRIEST IN MORTAL SIN FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT DOES NOT ABIDE IN SUCH A MAN. If the priest is not Holy he offers DEFILED bread upon God's altar ,Not the Body and Blood of Christ.

I am a first fruit, meaning- of the First resurrection because first fruits are born out of Queens not concubines. The End time Elect are born out of the Dogma of the faith. The end time Bride is what, in the Song of Songs is called a Shulammite. That means from a place of peace Shulam . Shulam is the feminine word for Shalom . She is called a Princess because she is TRULY the youngest and last church sister to the first . Being the LAST Church in the End of the age, she too will produce First fruits of this End times because she is born from a queen. This last Church will give birth to first fruits of the Jews. Unlike what the protestants have produced from their incomplete doctrine. If you do not hold the Queen above queens in high regard (Mother Mary) you have no Rites. It is clear Sarah (WHICH MEANS QUEEN) well...was renamed Queen by God because she is. But since Mother Mary is Blessed among women, that means of all the matriarchs she is a Queen above all queens, and she is to be esteemed as such by the Body. The TRUE CATHOLICS esteem her best, then the Orthodox. Since Abraham was told that from his seed , would come a great nation , that nation would be born of a queen not concubine. That great nation was realized in Mother Mary who is the Theotokos (God Bearer) and The Ark of the New Covenant because Christ is truly God the Son. Obviously she did not give birth to God the Father. That is what is meant by Theotokos . Protestants don't get it yet profess understanding of the Holy Trinity, go figure ??? Mother Mary is Daughter of God the Father, Mother to God the Son (The Head) therefore the body , this is an elementary give in the Head governs the Body, what is for the head is for the body. This is in regard to NURTURING and developing like Christ of course.

As queens throughout scripture, are the only ones to produce First Fruits then it is true, that only the queen denominations can. You are a queen denomination when you hold esteem for the Blessed mother as important. Protestants outside of what is called Lutheran do not. And actually Lutherans who do esteem Mother Mary have actually preserved Catholic Doctrine to their benefit. They just squeak in as to having any first fruit of them. That is tentative and based solely on the esteem of Mother Mary though.
POINT: Many say they hear Christ's voice... are they only the sheep who say this? For sure only God knows who the sheep are before all men, and many men deny the sheep are as such, even many who say they have faith in Christ. Adherence to the WORD fully makes you the sheep.Adherence to esteeming, which also means venerating Mother Mary and the apostles makes you sheep. I can assure many here, that adherence is not as numerous as many think. AND NOT ALL CATHOLIC OR ORTHODOX are saved. Obedience to the Word is the only means, and the Word demands esteem of those who have labored for us and are over us in heaven as first Church .

 

In the case of Bart Erhman, If a person “knows” Jesus Christ in any real sense of the term — in salvation, fellowship, the word, etc. — how could he flee from it?… I mean… that would be an absurd action for a truly saved person. That being said, only the Holy Spirit knows who is saved… certainly not I. But Ehrman’s Wikipedia biography betrays what I consider to be a strong witness in his former Christian position — one that might present a problem for you and your claim. You see, he was as fundamentalist as they come and someone who (before he began extensive biblical research) believed and preached the same gospel you embrace today.

I don't want to assume anything here, but what I believe you are saying is that Ehrman did not have faith to begin with. He vehemently denies that is the case. I have read people say that had Ehrman tried Instead of forcing the Scripture through the rigid ideas of fundamentalist inerrancy, that he should have adopted a more nuanced position and perhaps he would still be a Baptist pastor today.

Then there is the issue of my salvation. I have posted my testimony a few times on the BB and I believe you are familiar with it. As you may know, I made my profession of faith at a Billy Graham Crusade at around age 12 and have no doubt that the Holy Spirit was leading me from that day forward. However, I have become a Catholic Christian after much study and believe the doctrines and dogma of The Holy Catholic Church to be biblical and apostolic.

I was told close to eight years at the time of my conversion that if I was truly a Christian I would end up leaving The Catholic Church and return to 'biblical Christianity'. As each day passes, I am even more convinced that I am attending the Church Christ established upon Peter and that, whether you believe so or not, we follow the same Lord and Master.

 

Point: It is clear I am correct to use the scriptures I used. I will not divide the Word like the woman would who was not the infants true mother in the wisdom of Solomon's. story. I love the Word too much. God will decide to whom the Male Child will be given. He will punish any and all who would seek to lie about the Male Child and divide Him! The scriptures are the Word and are not to be divided . You have not disproved anything I have said. Putting scripture against scripture is not how understanding the Word works.
The scriptures are not a house divided. It is simply misapplying belief in what they are. The written Word is LIVING , not an object to be divided. Misappropriation intended or not , of the written Word does not delete or cut off what I posted. As I said, God will render judgement concerning what is done with the written Word. The scriptures are whole as Christ is. You cannot delete portions of the Word to suit ones needs. Understanding of the Word is given by the Holy Spirit and it is to NEVER BE DIVIDED. Blessings!

 

Another thing: Christ said " No one can pluck them from His hand", He did not say they can not leave His hand. Free will is being expressed here. No one can take me from Christ, but I can surely leave of my own free will. To be plucked out or taken from means just that. Free will however , is to leave . Those who follow Him that means TO THE END, (not mid way) ,obviously are given eternal LIFE, and they shall never perish that is when you shall never perish- when you reach eternal life, NEITHER SHALL ANY MAN PLUCK THEM FROM OUT OF HIS HAND. That means no one can forcibly remove you from Christ. No matter what , if you choose to follow Christ to the end , that will never happen. Again, Christ is speaking about completion, faith to its end.Faith...the means to which your interior life begins on earth and finishes its race on earth and eternally continues in paradise. Full context is important otherwise you just have pretext.

Hank posted:
John 10
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they (follow me):
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

They cannot perish when they are given eternal life . Eternal life and the reign in that is when you reach heaven . The soul resides in the Father then the mortal puts on immortality. The soul is to be united to the resurrected flesh. Some will experience this transformation in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye at the last Trumpet, and be snatched up in transformed body with soul.

 

Well spoken. I think what has happened with protestants is that, the wrong of some men has colored their view of the essence of the Church. They have essentially thrown out the baby with the bath water. Though some have surrounded the faith with murky water, they feel the water, that the truth has found itself surrounded by, means to get rid of it all. Any well read historian knows there have been wolves in sheep's clothing that have arisen among us, we are warned of such things.

Acts 20:28-30
Paul's Farewell to the Ephesians
…28Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. 29I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.…

This has happened throughout church history, among the Jews and gentiles. People of faith (the true sheep) have kept watch and preserved the Dogma of the faith. It is unavoidable -the pretenders. The faithful must always preserve the teachings of Christ no matter what. For today, I believe there are many wolves in sheep's clothing. False shepherds have taken over places of teaching,like weeds which spread fast and are numerous. This is why it is important to remember, though they ,may occupy mortar and stone , they will not occupy the True Temple of the Living God. And it is that , which collectively is built upon the (Rock)-The Character of Peter, that the gates of hell shall not prevail against.
being humble like Peter is imperative .

 

Stripping that verse down to a simple sentence, the core of that is ...

"It is impossible" [for them] "to be brought back to repentance."

I would be very reluctant to proclaim God's inability to bring anyone to repentance. There is only one "unforgivable sin". It is described elsewhere and it is not what is described in Hebrews 6:4. Your mother is likely bound for hell, but I say that because the road to Hell is wide and the path to God is narrow (with only one gate, Jesus Christ). I do not believe that we can know the ultimate destiny of anyone except ourselves. Ours is the only heart that we have access to, and we are warned that even it can deceive us.

Ultimately we have no choice but to trust God to be God and do the right thing ... always.

 

There is one unforgivable sin and Hebrews 6 is addressing and speaking of that unforgivable sin. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is exactly what Hebrews 6 is speaking of , nothing more and nothing less. That is why it is impossible to be brought back to repentance. Judas was guilty of such a crime and could not repent and chose to commit suicide .

It means one has received(tasted) the gifts from the Holy Spirit, to heal, cast out devils raise the dead, prophesy etc..... and left that espousal for a lie. His mother I doubt ever received those kinds of gifts.

One must strive for them and they do not come easy. Judas tasted the gifts of the kingdom to come and sold out Christ, which in essence means -sold his soul to the devil after tasting all of those gifts.

 

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, has three avenues which leads to it; 1 what Judas did , having tasted the heavenly gifts and then leaves Christ for a substitute in this case satan and the substitute of his synagogue. 2. Mortal sin , which is a sin unto death of the soul, it is to sin with consent to, to something you know is very bad. It is to love sin over truth ex. a priest who molest children and still tries to offer up the daily sacrifice. He knows of Christ and what is necessary to follow Him yet lives in sin. It is knowing sin fully and living it. It is not venial -unintentional sin through ignorance or mistakes due to natural human error that one eventually overcomes ex.- weakness in the members of the flesh like swearing when angry, but yet feel remorseful for the words etc... Nothing major.
1John 5:16
Effective Prayer
…16If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he should ask God, who will give life to those who commit this kind of sin. There is a sin that leads to death; I am not saying he should ask regarding that sin. 17All unrighteousness is sin, yet there is sin that does not lead to death. 18We know that anyone born of God does not keep on sinning; the One who was born of God protects him, and the evil one cannot touch him.…

Mortal sin is death, God can not give life to those in this kind of sin. See, there is venial and mortal sin. The Catholic Church has some mistakes concerning how it defined it. I was told by "Catholics" that a priest in mortal sin can still consecrate the Eucharist . I was like ahhhh....I don't think so. It is clear if God gives life to those who only commit venial sin and cannot give life to those in mortal sin , that priest in mortal sin has been cut off from the Holy Spirit and therefore his offering is not in Christ. The Holy Trinity does not aid and abet in sin but delivers from. Mortal sin is death and the scriptures are clear, we are not required to pray for a person in it. And it is clear that venial sin.....a person in that kind of sin can be given life which means forgiveness.
Mortal sin is too Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. 3. One who rejects Christ to the end of his life too Blasphemes the Holy Spirit.
To me it is clear, Christianity is no joke and not for the faint at heart. Enter by the narrow gate" Christ was not kidding. I can only pray and hope and trust in Christ strength. He who trust in the Lord shall not be disappointed.

 

Oh and by the way, I am born out of the Catholic Church. That means I was brought to faith in Christ through Catholicism. But due to the heresy and apostasy of many in hierarchy I have been called out as revelation reveals. "Come out of her my people". That does not mean I have ran to another denomination which does not hold the Dogma of the faith. It means I stand on the promise of Christ and those things revealed by the Blessed Mother, that the sacred and immaculate hearts of Jesus and Mary shall prevail. And that the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ's Church, which in these end times is at its fullness of gentile in number. Those gentile will bring to the Jews what they are missing . Christ is preparing for the the Day of the Lord .

THE DAY OF THE LORD???
This is for advance students of the faith. KEEP YOUR EYES ON ISRAEL THE ALARM AND TIME PIECE CONCERNING SEASONS. I will also add: 'My Immaculate Heart will Triumph".
People do not know what the Day of the Lord is, especially the Protestants. Many think this is the second Coming of Christ from the heavens. Yes ,there is a final coming but that is at the Last Trumpet- Tekiah Gedolah.
But there is a day spoken of in which True Catholics are aware of and cling to. That is the season of the Day of the Lord.
1Thessalonians 5:2-4
The Day of the Lord

…2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief.…

Rev.6:12
12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale; 14 the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks,( “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand before it?”)

This is before the last trumpet and seventh seal and final battle of Armageddon .

It will bring about a designated time for the Holy saints of God to shine forth. MANY, MANY, MANY people will perish in this (Great Day). This is the WRATH OF THE LAMB not the return of the Lion of Judah!

Isaiah 26:20

A Song of Trust in God's Provision

…19Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead. 20Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut your doors behind you. Hide yourselves a little while until the wrath has passed. 21For behold, the LORD is coming out of His dwelling to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. The earth will reveal her bloodshed and no longer conceal her slain.…

This corresponds to the dead bones coming back to life, NOT THE RETURN OF CHRIST AND THE RESURRECTION of the dead. For at the last trumpet we do not close ourselves away but rather are snatched up by the Lord. The Isaiah account is linked to the Ezekiel one.
Ezekiel 37
The Valley of Dry Bones
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by His Spirit and set me down in the middle of the valley; it was full of bones. 2He led me all around among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, and indeed, they were very dry.
3Then He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”
“O Lord GOD,” I replied, “only You know.”
4And He said to me, “Prophesy concerning these bones and tell them: ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! 5This is what the Lord GOD says to these bones: I will cause breath to enter you, and you will live. 6I will attach tendons to you and make flesh grow upon you and cover you with skin. I will put breath within you so that you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD.’”
7So I prophesied as I had been commanded. And as I prophesied, there was suddenly a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8As I looked on, tendons appeared on them, flesh grew, and skin covered them; but there was no breath in them.
9Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and tell it that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe into these slain, so that they may live!’”
10So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath entered them, and they came to life and stood on their feet—a vast army.
11Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Look, they are saying, ‘Our bones are dried up, and our hope has perished; we are cut off.’
12Therefore prophesy and tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘O My people, I will open your graves and bring you up from them, and I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13Then you, My people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14I will put My Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I, the LORD, have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD.’”
One Nation with One King
15Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 16“And you, son of man, take a single stick and write on it: ‘Belonging to Judah and to the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick and write on it: ‘Belonging to Joseph—the stick of Ephraim—and to all the house of Israel associated with him.’ 17Then join them together into one stick, so that they become one in your hand.
18When your people ask you, ‘Won't you explain to us what you mean by these?’ 19you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel associated with him, and I will put them together with the stick of Judah. I will make them into a single stick, and they will become one in My hand.’
20When the sticks on which you write are in your hand and in full view of the people, 21you are to tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘I will take the Israelites out of the nations to which they have gone, and I will gather them from all around and bring them into their own land. 22I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel, and one king will rule over all of them. Then they will no longer be two nations and will never again be divided into two kingdoms.
23They will no longer defile themselves with their idols or detestable images, or with any of their transgressions. I will deliver them from all their apostasies by which they sinned,c and I will cleanse them. Then they will be My people, and I will be their God. 24My servant David will be king over them, and there will be one shepherd for all of them. They will follow My ordinances and keep and observe My statutes.
25They will live in the land that I gave to My servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They will live there forever with their children and grandchildren, and My servant David will be their prince forever. 26And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people. 28Then the nations will know that I the LORD sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is among them forever.’”

 

Continued:
The peace being spoken of now concerning Israel (Trump and Kushner's Peace deal) is going to be over thrown
By God. As I have been stating repeatedly the fullness of the Jews and Gentiles is at hand. The stick of Judah
are those sealed out of the 12 tribes of Israel. The stick belonging to Joseph are out of the Gentile nations for
Joseph Kingship came into its (greatness) in a Gentile nation not the nation of Israel. As is evident in the fact
that the gentiles greatly honor Christ throughout the Centuries.This means those brought into the House of Is-
rael due to the New Covenant are being anointed into a Holy Priesthood , the final one, that in this End of the
Age is coming into its fullness. After this Peace (Not talking about Trump's and Kushner's ,which will be overthrown) but the period after the 6th seal , when it is established ( A Miracle before Christ Time -Meaning before
His return ) between God and His elect designated, then the kings of the world will rise against these FIRST
FRUITS = Those designated to be of the First Resurrection ! This peace will not be removed because they have
reconciliation with God and are Fully Restored and have all spiritual gifts. This is an internal peace. The elect
will dwell in the desolate places - the places of Israel which have been laid waist by the Day of the Lord.



This Wrath has not happened yet but is according to God's schedule not man's. IT IS COMING! The peaceful
after will be attacked, and these peaceful ones are the Holy House in the land of Canaan .The Holy House is
only for the Lord's Elect. Those who come up against the Elect in God's peace are the off spring of satan. ??



See, as the world tries to aright itself again and gain its footing men will long for the past and the vices of the
world technology and all its amenities and pleasures. The House of God will dwell in peace even in humility of
desolation. The worldly will not be content and their flesh will rise. THE DAY IS COMING!??.



Catholics have been called out and of them will be anointed Holy priest unto Christ, along with priest from the
Jews and the house shall be one. The true Catholics , because they preserve the Dogma will leave behind any
error that has attached itself

to the Dogma. They will be given increase and be as first fruits (The First resurrection) . This does not only
consist of men , but only men are priest. Women have their roles. They help uphold these priest and actually
help make them through their faith. But for sure the priesthood is a man's role.

 

I am sorry that you doubt His power over you.
As for me I rejoice that even I myself am powerless to remove myself from His hand.

So should you my brother. He will never ever allow you to perish. Believe Him and rejoice in His promise.

 

Walk in the light LW and enjoy/rejoice in unbroken fellowship (koinenia) with the Triune God.

Jesus passed through the veil into the Holy of Holies and has invited us to come with Him and drink of the pure water of life.

It is free to you my brother.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Come.
Drink.

 

For those who may not know (most of the regulars know this) I am a former Catholic, tutored by Jesuits.
After 2 years or so of struggle I left the RCC and have identified with local churches of the Baptist persuasion (about 54 years now).