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The Image & Name of the Beast

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    Part 34: The image of the Beast speaks

    One of the many identifying traits of the Antichrist and his members is that of false miracles, called lying wonders (2 Thess. 2:8-9; Rev. 13:13-15).

    Although Pentecostals have their feigned miracle workers, such as Benny Hinn, nothing and no one compares to the Roman Catholic Church in this regard. The countless legends, myths and fables of alleged apparitions, miracles and miracle workers have no equal, whether considering all professing Christendom or the entire world of unbelievers.

    For example, this present writer recently perused Butler’s Lives of the Saints and within moments happened upon the life of the virgin, Saint Agnes of Montepulciano (d. 1317).

    According to the always reliable English Catholic priest and hagiographer, Alban Butler, at age fifteen “she was elected abbess” of a new convent in Proceno, Italy. “For fifteen years she lived on bread and water, sleeping on the ground with a stone for a pillow.” As reward for such an austere life and patience through trials, “Numerous were the extraordinary graces conferred upon Mother Agnes. Once, in a vision, she was allowed to hold the Infant Saviour in her arms; on several occasions it was reported she received holy communion from an angel; and her nuns declared that they had many times seen her in ecstasy uplifted from the ground.”

    Butler continues, “One of the most curious manifestations recorded of her was that on certain occasions after her raptures her cloak and the place where she was kneeling were covered with white ‘manna.’ She looked, we are told, as if she had been out of doors in a heavy snow-storm.”

    The tomb of St. Agnes has been a source of joy for the throngs of pilgrims who journeyed to view her incorrupt corpse. “When St. Catherine visited the shrine it is recorded that as she stooped to kiss the foot of the incorrupt body, the foot lifted itself to meet her lips.”

    How sweet.

    Mind you, this is but one of innumerable holy fairy tales authorized and condoned by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple Google search for info on this ‘saint’ will result in a plethora of websites honoring her memory, many embellishing the list of fantasies attributed to her.

    For instance, according to the Dominican Sisters of Cecilia, Nashville, “The Blessed Mother had visited Agnes many times. On one of these occasions she allowed Agnes to hold the Christ Child, but Agnes showed great reluctance in giving him back.”

    Somehow Father Butler neglected to mention this sinful stubborn streak of Saint Agnes.

    Catholic Saints.Info gives us further valuable information:

    · Her birth was announced by flying lights surrounding her family’s house.

    · She was known to levitate up to two feet in the air while praying.

    · She held the infant Jesus in one of these visions; when she woke from her trance she found she was holding the small gold crucifix the Christ child had worn.

    · On the day she was chosen abbess as a teenager, small white crosses showered softly onto her and the congregation.

    · She could feed the convent with a handful of bread, once she’d prayed over it.

    · Where she knelt to pray, violets, lilies and roses would suddenly bloom.

    · While being treated for her terminal illness, she brought a drowned child back from the dead.

    · At the site of her treatment, a spring welled up that did not help her health, but healed many other people.

    · Legend says that at the moment of her death, all the babies in the region, no matter how young, began to speak of Agnes, her piety, and her passing.

    · Miracles reported at her tomb.

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    NEXT: The image of the Beast speaks (continued).
     
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    Part 35 The image of the Beast speaks (continued)

    The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. (Genesis 4:10).

    This figure of speech called ‘personification’ conveys the horrific significance of shedding another’s innocent blood. The ‘cry’ is for justice. The guilty party must be punished.

    The Roman Catholic Church uses this device in proving the transubstantiated wafer is the very body and blood of Christ. Throughout the ages, the Roman Church has compiled innumerable signs and lying wonders by which the naïve, ignorant and superstitious may be further deceived into believing the lie……the lie of transubstantiation.

    The scene below depicted in the stained glass of The Cathedral of St. Michael and St. Gudule recounts the desecration of consecrated Hosts by angry unbelieving Jews in Brussels, 1370.

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    According to the author of several Roman Catholic religious books documenting innumerable Eucharistic, Marian, saints and relic miracles, Joan Carroll Cruz, “On April 4, 1370, Good Friday, the Jews assembled in their synagogue in Brussels. After laying the [stolen] sacred Hosts out on a table, they inflicted upon them both the verbal and physical abuse. At some point during the sacrilege, knives were drawn and the Hosts were stabbed. Immediately, before the stunned eyes of the Jews, blood flowed from the stabbed wounds. Moreover, the attackers’ weapons fell from their hands, trembling seized them and they fell to the ground in terror” (Eucharistic Miracles, pp. 112-13).

    Ms. Cruz neglects to inform her readership of the ensuing massacre of the Jews, the result of their heinous actions. Wikipedia relates the following:

    “The Brussels massacre was an anti-Semitic episode in Brussels in 1370 in connection with an alleged host desecration at the Brussels synagogue. A number of Jews, variously given as six or about twenty, were executed or otherwise killed, while the rest of the small community was banished. The event was commemorated by local Christians as the Sacrament of Miracle, as it was said that the desecrated hosts stabbed by a Jew had miraculously shed blood and been otherwise unharmed.”

    Ms. Cruz relates a spectacular Eucharist miracle which occurred in Paris, 1290, involving a poor peasant woman and a pawnbroker. Forced to pawn her best dress for food money, the woman asked the pawnbroker if she could borrow the dress for Easter Sunday. “The pawnbroker, described as being a non-Christian, was curious about the Host received by Christians at Holy Mass, and informed the woman that she could have her dress completely if she would bring him the consecrated wafer which the priest would give her in Holy Communion.

    “Consenting to this shameful proposal, the poor woman attended Holy Mass and received the Sacrament. After secretly removing the Host from her mouth, she delivered it to the home of the pawnbroker, who placed it on a table. Then, in the presence of the woman and of his own children, the man drew out a penknife and repeatedly stabbed the Host.

    “Suddenly, blood in great streams gushed from the cuts, splashing the woman and the children……”

    Needless to say, the pawnbroker was soon discovered, arrested and convicted of the sacrilege. Ms. Cruz, in a politically correct manner, neglects to identify the pawnbroker as Jewish, as well as the means of extracting his confession, which undeniably led to his execution.

    The Eucharistic Miracle of Dijon, France, 1430, can be found online.

    “In 1430, in Monaco, a lady purchased a monstrance from a second hand dealer. It was most likely stolen because it still contained the Sacred Host for adoration. The lady, being very ignorant in regard to the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, decided to remove the Host from the monstrance with a knife. Unexpectedly, living blood began to flow from the Host. The blood dried immediately, leaving imprinted on the Host the image of the Lord, seated on a semicircular throne with some of the instruments of the Passion at His side.”

    The monk and priest, Thomas à Kempis (d. 1471), author of the popular Imitation of Christ, wrote of a miracle which happened to a fellow priest. According to Ms. Cruz, the account may be found in his Chronicle of Mt. St. Agnes.

    “A brother of our house, whilst he was saying Mass at the altar of St. Agnes, was one day suddenly and tempted by the devil in his belief concerning the Most Holy Sacrament, although this heavenly mystery was a constant source of the greatest consolation to him. Full of sorrow and pain he turned himself weeping to our Lord, and behold he heard an interior voice which said, ‘Believe thou as St. Agnes, St. Cecilia, St. Barbara, and other holy virgins have believed who suffered death for Christ, nor ever doubted the least of His words.’ As soon as he heard these words every doubt vanished and the temptation passed away. After this he replied to all who suffered from such devilish temptation, ‘Believe as did Agnes, and thou wilt never err in the faith” (Eucharistic Miracles, p. 191).

    By asserting such ‘miracles’ the Roman Church ‘proves’ the consecrated Host is, in fact, the very flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.

    The blood of the Host cries out, “Believe I am the true God-man, Jesus Christ.”

    NEXT: The name of the Beast
     
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    Part 36: The name and number of the Beast.

    The number of the Beast has been revealed as 666. It is the number of a man. Therefore, the Beast is a man…. a unique and specific man whose characteristics agree with the many scriptural depictions of him.

    Wisdom is necessary to decipher this mystery (Rev. 13:18), just as wisdom is necessary to decipher the 7 mountains upon which the woman sits (Rev. 17:9).

    Either the Lord has given the wisdom necessary to solve these mysteries or He has not.

    If He has not, then the centuries of consistent testimony by those who opposed the Roman Church were not spoken with a spirit of wisdom, but by a spirit of foolishness. This is what our detractors would have you believe.

    Nevertheless, the words of Jesus remain faithful and true:

    12 But before all these [signs], they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

    13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

    14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

    15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

    16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

    17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. (Luke 21:12-17).

    Christ promises His Elect will be given the wisdom and testimony to overcome the lies of their persecutors/executors.

    In numerous previous posts the testimonies of the so-called ‘heretics’ was published; testimonies which spanned centuries BEFORE Luther & Calvin.

    Their testimonies were consistent: The Church of Rome was Mystery Babylon; her Supreme Pontiff the Antichrist.

    The Protestant Reformers, including Baptists (Benjamin Keach in particular), were moved to write lengthy treatises and Revelation commentaries proving the validity of these two premises. Their writings are extant today, though once accessible only through seminary libraries or by paid subscription services. However, thanks to the Internet many valuable Reformation writings are now available for all to read and study.

    Let’s Apply Some Wisdom and Common Sense

    The Holy Spirit points us to ‘the city of seven hills,’ Rome (Rev. 17:9), as the ‘seat’ of the woman – meaning the same seat of authority as the pagan Roman Empire in John’s day.

    But this woman is not the pagan Roman Empire. In fact, in John’s day she had not yet appeared, though she was to have her headquarters, her seat of authority, in Rome. This why, to John, she was a ‘mystery.’

    She is seated on a scarlet-colored Beast, who must also have his seat in Rome. Thus, they are both somehow related to the Romans.

    Centuries later the Roman Catholic Church was to emerge, identified by her constituents as a woman whom they call ‘Mother.’ This Church is ‘Roman’ for two pertinent reasons:

    1. Her seat is in Rome;

    2. Her ecclesiastical language is Latin, the language of the ancient Romans.

    Until recently the Mass was only to be said in Latin. However, all the papal encyclicals, as well as innumerable other official communications and rituals are written or spoken only in Latin. (Today there are a significant number of Catholics who demand the Church return to the Tridentine Mass.)

    The Roman Church is viewed in distinction from the Greek Church. This is the equivalent to saying the Latin Church is distinct from the Eastern Orthodox Church. ‘Latin’ and ‘Roman’ are synonymous.

    Furthermore, the Pope of Rome carries a pagan Roman Latin title, ‘Pontifex Maximus’ (Supreme Pontiff), signifying his status as High Priest, the bridge between man and the gods.

    It is with this truth in mind that the name of the Beast may be determined.

    Irenaeus (d. 202), Greek bishop and theologian, was the first to present a solution to naming the Beast. In his classic work, Against Heresies, Book V, Chapter 30, he states, “Lateinos (ΛΑΤΕΙΝΟΣ) has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who presently bear rule…..”

    Λ, Lambda, 30

    Α, Alpha, 1

    Τ, Tau, 300

    Ε, Epsilon, 5

    Ι, Iota, 10

    Ν, Nu, 50

    Ο, Omicron, 70

    Σ, Sigma, 200

    666


    The Protestant Reformers understood the significance of ‘Lateinos’ which identified the papal ‘Latin Man,’ the man of sin and son of perdition.

    Do you?
     
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    I tend to agree ( Daniel 7:19-25 ).
    I is most probably some version of the European Union.
    There's another "anti-christ" coming...to a Third Temple near to be built. ;)

    If I'm reading correctly in your posts, you seem to be ascribing much of what is said about the "beast", to the Roman Catholic Church.
    I'm convinced that she is the Mother of all Harlots... but not the Beast, not the False Prophet and not THE Anti-Christ.


    Those are yet to come.
     
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    Jesuit futurist theology. It's not scriptural. The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism

    "Anti-Christos" is koine Greek. It's Latin counterpart is "Vicarius Christi". They mean the exact same thing. and is identified with both of its meanings in 2 Thes. 2:4, 'opposeth and exalteth', meaning to be against and in the place of.

    The third Temple, is the community of Christians, each a lively stone built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ, the cornerstone, which was laid at Calvary. Plain as day:

    Eph_2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

    Yet, so many want to buy into the false Jesuit theology instead.

    "Beast" (Rev. 13:1-2) refers to the state power. "Woman" (Rev. 17) to the religious power. That the woman rides the beast, demonstrates the unholy amalgamation or union of churchcraft and statecraft with the Woman in control (at least for a time, until the kings turn on her).

    It would be part of a Church-State union/amalgamation, thus being able to "war" and desires "worship" ["worshipped"; Revelation 13:4, "great whore (woman)", "war" Revelation 17:1-7,9,17 KJB], because it claims the doctrine of 'the two swords' [Church (word, Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12 KJB) and State (police, Romans 13:1-4 KJB) unified], see:

    Churchcraft & Statecraft

    Clay & Iron [Daniel 2:33-35,44,45 KJB]

    eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things/the voice of the great words/that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things & little horn/horn/that horn ... whose look was more stout than his fellows/made war [Daniel 7:8,11,20,21 KJB]

    he shall speak great words against the most High/think to change times and laws & shall wear out the saints of the most High/they shall be given into his hand [Daniel 7:25 KJB]

    Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down & cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them [Daniel 8:10,11 KJB]

    by peace [religion/gospel] & shall destroy [sword of the state] [Daniel 8:25 KJB]

    Priests [priesthood, earthly] & Kings [royal, earthly] [counterfeit] [see the true Heavenly: Exodus 19:6; 1 Peter 2:9; Revelation 1:6, 5:10]

    Sheeps clothing/drawing disciples [outwardly claiming Christ] & ravening wolves inwardly [Rome's symbol was the Capitoline wolf] [Ezekiel 22:27; Matthew 7:15; Acts 20:29-30 KJB]

    Tabernacles [house of worship] & palace [house of kings] [Daniel 11:45 KJB]

    Worshippeth/worshipped/great wonders/miracles/worship & War/power over/killeth with the sword/power/causeth [Revelation 13:4,7,8,10,12,15, 14:9,11 KJB]

    Woman & Beast [Revelation 17:1-8 KJB]

    Blasphemy & Crowns [Revelation 13:1,2,5,6, 17:3,18 KJB]

    Understanding Dark Sentences & King of Fierce Countenance [Daniel 8:23 KJB]

    Exalteth & Opposeth [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

    Worshippeth & Sitteth (throne) [2 Thessalonians 2:4 KJB]

    God service & Killeth you [John 16:2 KJB]

    Peace [spirit/false gospel] & be still [flesh/false sabbath rest day] [counterfeit] [the True: Mark 4:39 KJB]

    Peace (Gospel, Luke 2:14 KJB) & Safety (protection by king/state, Acts 5:23 KJB) [1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJB]
     
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    Read Revelation and Daniel.
    They are very interesting letters.
    Precisely.
    Please see Daniel 7:23-25, Daniel 8:9-12, Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:36-45, Daniel 12:11, Revelation 13:4-8, Revelation 17:7-18, and Revelation 19:19-20.
    That's not the same temple that the Anti-Christ ( "Beast" ) causes the sacrifices to cease from.
    I'm talking about the next temple to be built at Jerusalem, the 3rd of 4 such temples.

    You know...the one that a certain group in Israel already has all the temple vessels, etc. to fill it with, and the money?
    All that's waiting is for a peace deal that will allow them access to the Temple Mount.
    You do realize what the mission of the Jesuits is, do you not?:Sneaky
    It's to trouble believers with false doctrines by infiltrating their ranks and spreading their leaven.
    "Beast" and "Anti-Christ" are the same.
    The Whore or Harlot.
    She is false "Christianity".

    The "One World Church", with the false prophet at its head.
    He will prop up Anti-Christ, and cause all people to take the mark.
    All except God's children, who will never give him the pleasure.

    But I do agree...it will be part of a Church/State amalgamation...one that will control most of the planet, until the Lord comes again.
    It will last 3.5 years, and it will rule in the midst of the worst judgment from God the world has ever seen.

    Those judgments will make the plagues of Egypt look like a Sunday picnic.:Sick
     
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    Utter myth.

    There is no High Priest of the Tribe of Levi. There is no Ark of the Covenant (as it was hid in the days of Jeremiah):

    Jer_3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

    The sacrifices already ceased.

    As for Daniel and Revelation I have thoroughly and prayerfully studied them, and understand them, by God's grace and they do not teach Jesuit Futurism.

    Dan_9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Paul already explained the verse, under inspiration of the Holy Ghost in the NT in the book of Hebrews:

    Heb_10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
     
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    Which is why I suspect all such who promote Jesuit Futurism, no matter their professed colours.

    The text provided to you was clear. The Christians are the Third Temple.

    Joh_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

    Miss that, and you miss everything.

    Three days is more than simply the three natural days. 1 Cor. 15:44-46.
     
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    It's not a myth...it's fact.
    Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice Ministries International
    They will find one.
    I agree, as it is in heaven ( Revelation 11:19 ) right now, not on Earth.
    They will begin again.
    Something tells me that you're "a-millenial". ;)

    Respectfully, it's not clear to me.
    Perhaps to you it, is, but I see it differently.

    I agree that believers make up God's spiritual "house" or temple ( 1 Peter 2:5 ).
    But when the Lord was speaking in reference to His "temple", He was speaking about His earthly body ( Matthew 16:21, Matthew 26:61, Matthew 27:40, Mark 14:58, Mark 15:29, John 2:19 ).
    As believers, our bodies are also the temple of the Holy Spirit ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 ).

    I don't believe I'm missing anything.
    As I see it, the three days He was speaking of were not figurative, they were literal, and He uses Jonah's spending three literal days in the belly of the whale to illustrate it ( Matthew 12:40 )
    In three days He was raised up.



    May God bless you.:)
     
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    originally the "number of a man" was not spelled out but signified:

    13:18 Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν ὁ ἔχων τὸν νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ χξς

    The last word in the sentence was the ancient manner of signifying 666 - chi-xi-stigma

    the letter stigma from an older form of Greek preceding Koine Greek.
     
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    Jesuits are a-millennial. The 1,000 years is literal and will take place very shortly. Yet, no human being will be alive on earth during the greater period of it, only at its beginning and ending, while satan and all of his angels will remain on the broken down earth by the 7 last plagues and greatest earthquake and hail, and be in darkness, the sun and moon having been moved out of their places and the atmosphere torn in two.

    The saints reign with Christ Jesus 'in heaven' during the greater portion of it, while all the wicked will be dead upon the earth during the length of it, until its very closing when they are raised in the 2nd great resurrection.
     
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    Like I said, Mythology. You should follow the real links in the Government, rather than a single persons mad crusade of Jesuitism.

    Wasted hopes, false dreams. No, they won't. Prophecy speaks otherwise.

    You mistake the real and original Ark of the Covenant that always existed in Heaven, with the mere copy made by Moses and company which is still hidden on earth.

    Heb_9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

    Without the Ark of the Covenant, it would be pointless, and even moreso, pointless since the death of Jesus.

    The Jews as a whole, are no longer what existed in the days of Jesus. They are completely different in their religion since the destruction of Jerusalem and Temple. They aren't even of the same stock in primary, and moreso, they are Rabbinic Talmudic, having replaced all the 'services' of the Temple with mere traditions, such as waving a chicken over their head, etc.
     
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    That is your issue. You are going by what 'you see', rather than what God defined (Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20).
     
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    I referenced 1 Cor. 15:44-46. First the natural, then follows the spiritual.

    The reference to Jonah is a special type of prophecy.

    Jesus was raised in 'three days' (6th day (died), Sabbath (rest in tomb), 1st day (raised)), yet, that natural explains something even greater. The 3 thousand years from that day, or the last 3 days with the LORD (2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 84:10, 90:4).
     
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    They will "make do", just as they have since the vail was rent in two.

    With that, my time in this thread is done.
    Thank you for the opportunity to present my beliefs about Scripture, and to explain them as best I could in detail.

    May God bless you and yours.:)
     
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    The "image" (Rev. 13:11) to "the beast" (Rev 13:1-2) is the counterfeit to Creation (Gen. 1-2), in which God created in God's own Image and Likeness.

    Not only is there an outward similarity, much moreso the inward.

    As "the beast" of Revelation 13:1-2 is an amalgamation of Church and State powers, which even now is prevailing everywhere, even in the business (merchants) world, see Chick-Fil-A (a powerful funds or resource for their agendas and SuperPAC, and lobby for their morality (in Climate change, Work Ethic agendas, etc) and Sunday Laws, since Chick-Fil-A is noted for its open stance on this) and the Roman Catholic Governor of Texas, among other things - Religious Liberty is about to be seriously undermined by the 'religious'

    And so the "image" to "the beast" will likewise be the same, made in its own image, not only outwardly, of church and state, but of its "name" or Character of the man of sin. Yet, it will be the people who demand it, being deceived into it.

    It will have a character that is "subtil" (Gen 3) and only those who submit themselves to God's governance, His Law, will not be deceived, see Rev 14:6-12.
     
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    A Quick and Easy Review of the Proper Noun ‘ANTICHRIST.’

    Having already proven the Pope of Rome is not ‘with’ Christ, but rather ‘against’ Christ in regard to the continual Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, graven images and their worship, as well as murder of the innocent for centuries, to name just a few, the prefix ‘anti’ obviously connotes ‘opposition to.’

    Generally speaking, Christians understand this definition. They typically view many aspects of Catholicism, Islam, cults, unbelievers, etc., as fulfilling this prophecy. Yet they have difficulty in accepting the fulfillment – to the letter – of the man who holds the papal office, ‘The Pope of Rome.’

    This is due to the fact that the deeper significance of the prefix ‘anti’ is not understood. A simple word study will help dissipate the confusion and ignorance.

    According to Strong’s Greek Lexicon ‘anti’ (# 473) connotes “opposite, i.e. instead or because of, for, in the room of [i.e. ‘in place of’]. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.”

    Let us now define ‘Pope.’

    “POPE: n.; Gr. L. The bishop of Rome, the vicar of Christ on earth, and the visible head of the Church; the Holy Father, the supreme Pontiff; the successor of St. Peter” (Concise Catholic Dictionary, Bruce Publishing Co., 1944).

    Let us now define ‘vicar.’

    “Vicar, n. priest, deputy, agent. See CLERGY, SUBSTITUTION” (New American Roget’s College Thesaurus in Dictionary Form, 1985).

    Thus, we discover the Pope of Rome, as alleged Vicar of Christ, is a deputy, a clergyman and substitute for Jesus Christ. The idea of ‘substitute’ is also recognized in Strong’s definition of ‘anti.’

    In addition, we find the office of ‘deputy’ in Acts 13:6-12 when referring to Sergius Paulus, the deputy of Cyprus. He was appointed to the office by the emperor Claudius, in whose name and under whose authority Paulus rules.

    Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance acknowledges the Greek noun translated ‘deputy’ in the KJV as “anthupatos (# 446), consisting of the prefix ‘anti’ (# 473), and a superlative of # 5228 (‘huper’); instead of the highest officer.”

    Now let's connect the dots.

    As the deputy of Christ, the Pope of Rome claims the highest office, authority and power to rule the worldwide professing Christian churches. And this authority and power is claimed to have come from Jesus Christ, as His chosen Vicar/Deputy to rule in His stead.

    To summarize: the proper noun ‘Anti-Christ’ denotes several truths:

    1. Against, in opposition to Christ.

    2. Instead of, in the place of Christ.

    3. The highest/supreme priest of Christ.

    Furthermore, Christ warns that many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Christ warns of the coming Antichrist who feigns an orthodox Christian profession by which he shall deceive many. Moreover, Christ does not limit the Antichrist to one man, but emphasizes the many. For centuries Christians have understood this of the man who holds the papal office, the Bishop of Rome. To this day that office is alive and well and will be until the return of Christ in Judgment (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9).

    Therefore, according to recognized definitions in conjunction with Scriptural authority, the Antichrist will claim to be a Christian holding the highest office in Christendom as Christ’s deputy, yet by subterfuge and deception will be Christ’s greatest enemy, unknown to the vast majority of the world.

    P.S. Scripture tells us his power [to create god in the Mass or gods in the ‘saints’]; his seat [highest position in the Church]; and his authority [to bless or damn, to deliver from Purgatory or to condemn to Hell] was given him by the dragon (Revelation 13:2), not Jesus Christ.

    P.P.S. It is impossible for God’s elect to be deceived by him (Matthew 24:24). Those who wonder, worship, honor, revere, or acknowledge his headship are those whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Revelation 13:1-8).
     
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    FIRST: All glory and honor to the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to whom all power and authority is given. Bless the work of your handmaiden. Amen!

    Anti Christ:
    1 John 2: 18-23
    Beware of Antichrists

    18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us.

    20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.a 21I have not written to you because you lack knowledge of the truth, but because you have it, and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.

    An Anti Christ denies:

    1. Christ is the Sole authority over His Church.
    A. The Incarnation- That God has come in the Flesh of the Virgin Mary (As the Christ), took of her flesh to be a Man -(The Confessing of 1 John 4)
    1 John 4 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
    Testing the Spirits
    4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that (Jesus Christ )has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already. 4 Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    WHY JOHN speaks as he does:
    B. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that (Jesus Christ )has come in the flesh is of God,

    If you notice, John does not say- That every spirit which confesses God has come in the flesh of Jesus Christ .
    NO! He say Christ has come in the flesh because John knows he is God.
    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Christ came in the Flesh of Mother Mary, She is the sign of Immanuel=The sign of His Incarnation. Can not denyb her and still have Him, PERIOD!
    Isaiah 7:13-15
    The Sign of Immanuel
    …13Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, O house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God as well? 14Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and she will call Him Immanuel. 15By the time He knows enough to reject evil and choose good, He will be eating curds and honey.…
    Matthew 1:23
    "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring. forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us."
    John 1:14
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    So the Confessing of 1 John 4 is as Christ reveals to me. It is to protect us from all lying spirits. Anti-Christ are MANY and not only have gone out from us of the Catholic sort. But of many sorts, even those professed Baptist preach an anti Christ doctrine.

    2. Denial that water baptism is a necessary part of the gift of salvation. Denial of the three acceptable forms: Sprinkling, pour and immersion .Those who deny this are Anti Christ too

    3. Denial of Christ Real Presents in His instituted Supper.

    Clearly Christ has said , we shall have life who believe and partake of His supper in faith. John 6:53-55 (Jesus the Bread of Life)
    …53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink.…

    So, if one would like to test the Pope or anyone for that matter simply ask them to do the Confessing of the Incarnation which includes Mother Mary and you will not be lured in by lying teachers. You probably will not have an audience with the "Pope".
    But let's take a look at some videos. I know that Jorge Bergoglio can not do the Confessing of 1John 4 which says is the test. But neither can many other Apostates who walk around calling themselves "Christians"

    Here are some videos which claim , that Jorge recites the Rosary, and says the Hail Mary, you will notice he does not recite the Rosary in ANY of the videos. He interjects periodically he moves his lips but he NEVER leads in recitation of the Rosary. That is a fact. WHY? Because Jorge is an anti Christ just as many in here are. Jorge hides behind the veil of others reciting it. As a "Pope" he is to lead not follow in it. But I will add he does not even follow in it. It is a clever deception , because satan knows that if he is found out as not being able to do the CONFESSING of 1 John 4, then he is revealed as a fraud. Just as many are revealed as frauds in here. Counterfeits , liars, deceivers, you really do not have the spirit of God within you.

    "Hail Mary (highly favored one of God" the Lord is with you). Blessed are you among women and Blessed is the fruit of your womb, JESUS! Holy Mary, MOTHER OF GOD pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death AMEN!

    2013 Jorge does not ONCE recite it but only gives commentary. I know you do not speak Italian , but he does not recite it.


    2013 MORE COMMENTARY no recitation


    2018 more dialogue NO PRAYER.


    2018 NO RECITATION but notice the possession in him at about 30:40 in, in the following video.



    Jorge NEVER says the Rosary , he moves his lips but does not form the words, and ONLY gives Commentary.

    I am simply Christian who is in the pursuit of truth. I believe the Church should be of one mind which means a Universal Consensus -THAT CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY, Truth and the LIFE THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER, I stand on the ORTHODOXY of His written word, and I PROTEST against FALSEHOODS (ONLY), not the truth that is brought to the table.

    POINT: Heretical Baptist doctrine is no better than an anti Christ "Pope" all is anti Christ that denies the THREE MAIN DOGMAS, denial of those just leads to denial of all the tenets of the faith handed down to us.
     
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    MARK OF THE BEAST:
    To understand the Mark you must understand the IMAGE. The image is NOT the Whore who rides on its back, The Whore is simply in UNION with. Hence, "she fornicates with the kings of the earth. If people do not have the basic reading skills to notice that the Beast and its Image is not the WHORE , then you really should not bother to give study to scripture. It requires an unbiased student who can see the clear problem across the board.

    IMAGE OF THE BEAST:
    Revelation 13:53-55
    The Beast from the Sea
    1Then I saw a beast with ten horns and seven heads rising out of the sea. There were ten royal crowns on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. 2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the beast his power and throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast.…

    We are at present in the Beast upon the sea system. This is the beast upon many waters , that the Whore sits upon
    Revelation 17:1-6
    The Woman on the Beast

    1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Now, I understand the sensitivity of Catholics. But the RCC lead by the Vatican can be the only fit for this prophecy. This is by no means a slight toward those who are actually of the one mind with the church in heaven over us. But think about this:

    Clearly all the other religions can not be the Whore because they have never been in union with Christ to begin with. They are simply ABOMINATIONS. This Whore has power and influence with her association with the kings of the earth. All the kings for the most part go to the Vatican when elected, or at least at some point visit the "Popes". The Orthodox churches do not have this power .

    She is drunk on the blood of the martyrs and saints because she makes money off of their sacrifice because the pilgrims give donations, not because of her but because of the historical fact that she has within her their works ( documentation of). Plus she has killed many saints herself . I will discuss sister Lucia and Fatima and the TRUE message. The weeds are now being separated from the wheat. This is the hour of disclosure , all that is hidden is being revealed.

    Why the Whore is the Mother of all the abominations of the earth:
    She has adopted into herself all the other religions.

    Do I really need to continue to post the FACT that "popes" of Vatican II invite and embrace other religions through their Ecumenical doctrines? You all should know that by now.

    IMAGE OF THE BEAST:
    2 Thessalonians 2:8-10

    8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and de-

    stroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan,

    with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, be-

    cause they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    The Man of Sin will be of an Edom Jew lineage, he will be of Eastern European descent. Just as the lightning flash from the east and sets in the west, he is a Jew. He will be of a Rothschild appointed lineage. He will be "The beloved Headsman of the Red shield"
    Amos 3:6-8Witnesses Against Israel
    …6If a trumpet sounds in a city, will the people not tremble? If calamity comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? 7Surely the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants the prophets. 8The lion has roared—who will not fear? The Lord GOD has spoken—who will not prophesy?…
    I get tomorows news TODAY. The Anointed already know who he is , and is soon to come on the scene.
    Rev13:2

    2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the

    beast his power and throne and great authority.

    This symbolism is the main body of the Rothschild's Coat of Arms:



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    In their patent which looks to the eye to be the body a lion is actually a Leopard Passant, the feet look like
    those of a bears, not a leopard. Rev.13:2The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth
    of a lion. And the dragon gave the beast his power and throne and great authority. And obviously the head and
    mouth is of a lion. Proof of the accuracy of this interpretation is in the fact, that what appears to just be the body
    of a lion, is as John says , a leopard, (BUT NO SPOTS) exactly! John saw the design of their patent.


    Here is the beginning part of their patent Note: second quarter LEOPARD PASSANT, first quarter EAGLE
    SABLE=looks just like a dragon and as Christ said: " Where the eagles gather there too the corpse". The dead are
    with the house of Rothschild.You can not deny that the top of their coat of arms looks like a dragon. It matters
    not what it is called, both eagle and dragon denotes POWER. Also, the six pointed star next to the dragon, or eagle.
    The unicorn represent power in scripture and in the dark arts MAGIC.The three feathers represent the unholy
    trinity, the world, the flesh and satan= stork fearthers, unlike the Dove which is a representation of the Holy
    Spirit which Christ is conceived of.
    A stork :in Leviticus 11:19 is an unclean bird and God the Father would
    never use as a symbolism of heavenly things.



    Patent for the first Rothschild coat of arms, 1817

    The title of nobility granted to the Rothschilds by Austria permitted the use of the 'von' in the name and stems
    from an Order in Council of Francis I of 21 October 1816. The design submitted by the brothers for their Arms
    was accompanied by a letter of explanation in Salomon's hand. The proposed design included:

    CONTINUED.......
     
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    First quarter, an eagle sable surcharged in dexter by a field gules (referring to the Imperial and Royal Austrian

    Coat of Arms); Second quarter, gules, a leopard passant proper (referring to the English Coat of Arms); Third

    quarter, a lion rampant (referring to the Hessian Electoral Coat of Arms); Fourth quarter, azure, an arm bearing

    five arrows (a symbol of the unity of the five brothers). In the centre of the coat a shield gules. Right hand sup-

    porter, a greyhound, a symbol of loyalty; left supporter, a stork, a symbol of piety and content. Crest: a coronet

    surmounted by the lion of Hesse.



    The Rothschilds asked for separate patents of nobility for each of the four brothers as they lived in different

    countries. The separate patents were granted, but the design was considered too grand. The response to the ap-

    plication had a 'suitable' design attached to it, without the coronet, heraldic animals supporting the shield, or the

    lion and leopard. Also, the arm grasped just four arrows. A letter in the Archive from Amschel to Salomon and

    Nathan in November 1816 reads, ".....James and Carl received the nobility. It is a pity that Nathan did not want

    it."

    The arrows are interesting too: 1 Timothy 6: 9-

    Contentment in Godliness

    …9Those who want to be rich, however, fall into temptation and become ensnared by many foolish and harmful
    desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. By
    craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and (pierced themselves with many sorrows).

    PIERCE THEMSELVES WITH MANY SORROWS.......

    11But you, O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance,
    and gentleness.…

    QUOTE: The actual quote which is attributed to Mayer Amschel Rothschild is: Permit me to issue and control
    the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws! ... It is adapted from another well known quote: Let
    me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.



    Who owns AMERICA"S federal Reserve?



    Who controls the WORLD Banking system?



    Who rides the Back of the Beast, but is not as powerful? Jorge is one of many anti Christ whose work paves the
    way for (the Man of Sin) to be revealed.



    THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ( this universal agreement is not with TRUE CHRISTIANS). But the
    little ones , the TRUE Christians of the universal consensus that Christ is the sole authority are NOT the Whore.
    YES!, follow Jorge Bergoglio and be lead astray . Lean not on the Beloved, and His written word and you will be
    deceived!



    It amazes me the unfolding of scripture taking place. I want to Esteem Mother Miriam (Mary), for Blessing me
    with her

    Presents, and directing and guiding me ever toward Yeshua, my devotion. She has warned ,through the little
    ones, what is about to be unleashed, for centuries The Ark of the New and Everlasting

    Covenant shall prevail.

    Those who are devoted to the Blessed Mother.....did you notice Jorge changed the Lord's Prayer, but Mother Mary
    has always recited it just as we have always known it to be? Clearly it is just fine , his understanding is what is
    not!

    SPOILER ALERT!, YESHUA HAMASHIACH WINS!

    Continued..........
     
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