Summary of TULIP After Reading This Site for Over Eight Years

I am not sure that all men are savable. I would have to remain true to my C.A. roots and say that the call does not go out to every man. The Calvinist definitely have that part right.

 

Awww, Reynolds.

All men are "savable".
He simply saves the "savable" ones He wants to save.

The rest I liked.

 

I love how you didn't even address what I said. Typical @Van

Sure there is, the fact that he accepted Christ is evidence of this.

Calvinists affirm Free Will. How many times do we need to tell you this? It is not a question of free will. It is a question of ability.

 

It's not that they don't understand Dave. Me as an example.I do not believe in Calvinism simply because I do understand it and there is nothing true about it. The Bible disproves Calvinism It does not support it. So much so that it is my hope and prayers that I might convince you of the truth of Scripture. It is so important because your life and others depends on it. I'm praying for you Dave.
MB

 

Here's the thing, the Calvinists would say the exact same thing about you. So who is right?

 

The Bible and God
MB

 

I would have to say that since the nature is to sin, that that means it is a question of ability.

Man cannot choose against his nature.
From the point of view of the will, I'd say "unwilling", but it goes deeper to "inability", depending upon how one looks at it.

" And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." ( John 5:40 ).

 

Yes, and we both say that the Bible and God agree with our position so who is right?

 

We are all entitled to our own opinion.

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I think I got his point.

It's his understanding of what "Calvinists" believe.

I then tried to constructively critique it, and ended up confessing that I think he got most of it right...even though I think he's also a bit off on some things.

 

The only right way for man to know the truth is not to analyze what scripture says but allow scripture to be understood as it is with out reinterpreting it to fit what men have told them before. Scripture doesn't need our help in interpretation God did a wonderful in explaining to man exactly what we should be doing with it. This is believing God's Word as it is written not what we assume or think about it, or in someone eles's opinion of it.

The biggest reason there are so many different sects of Christianity is because People want to pick it apart looking for the reason that would please them selves. The pleasing is right there in front of them but they do not recognize it. So they start analyzing it to make it more appealing to them selves. What man may think is appealing can lead them to Hell.

When I read the Bible I always pray and ask for clear understanding. When I run in to a passage that puzzles me. I don't allow my self to imagine what it's really saying. I pray and ask God to reveal it to me. I do not ask my Pastor. I trust God to let me know. I trust only God.
MB

 

You are not regular Calvinist, read the board. Read Calvin. You are not the same as Calvin or Calvinist on free will

We might agree with you on free will and/or ability, Calvin does not

 

They did "hear" it and still do:

" to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." ( Romans 1:7 ) <----- There's that "calling" again.

" In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," ( Ephesians 1:13 ). <--- "Hearing".

" For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;" ( Colossians 1:5 ). <---- "Hearing".

The Roman, Ephesian and Colossian believers "heard" the Gospel.
They didn't think it was foolishness, but instead, to them it was the power of God.
Why?

Because they were saved.
Because they had "ears to hear" ( Matthew 11:15 ) their "calling" ( Romans 8:29-30, 2 Peter 1:10 ).
Faith then came as a result of their "hearing ( Romans 10:17 ) and they confessed with their mouths and believed in their hearts that Jesus rose from the dead ( Romans 10:8-10 ).

They were Gentiles, and I think that there were some Jews mixed in as well.
Timothy was half Jew.

So, why don't men "hear" the Gospel?
Again:

" He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God." ( John 8:47 ).

Two groups of people in humanity...

Those that have "ears to hear", and those that do not.

Those that are saved, and those that are lost.
Those that are of God, and those that are of the devil.
"Wheat" and "tares".
"Sheep" and "goats".
Blessed of the Father, and cursed.
Spiritual and natural.
Dead in sins and alive unto God.

Believers and unbelievers.

 

I agree: Some of the things said by folks professing to extol the virtues of the Doctrines of Grace are enough to warn anyone.

But...

Let me sum up your implied objection: Some people are better than others and that's why some people choose Christ, and others do not.

 

I will now compensate for the distortions in each caricature with sincere milk from the Scriptures. (It's easy. A child could do it.)

Hint: right click on each link and open in new window. (Not sure why that isn't built into this.)

Galatians 5:9
James 2:10

Romans 9:16
1 John 4:19

Matthew 7:23

John 1:13

1 John 3:9

 

...don't forget the part about non-Cals arguing back to God.

 

I have to disagree. Of course the lost do not hear the gospel without God's intervention. ". . . if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; . . ." -- 2 Timothy 2:25. Now if you mean those who who in the end perish, I agree (Matthew 7:21-23).