Featured Who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.—Ephesians 1:11

Again with strawman arguments. Why not address my view?

1) Do we earn God's love? Nope, He loved us when we were yet sinners.
2) Do we merit forgiveness of our sins? Nope, it is by grace alone.

Who said the lost allows God to worship them? Gross again and again. Falsehood again and again. Twaddle again and again.

There is no actual support for the TULI of the TULIP in scripture. None, zip, nada.

 

"I do not identify with J. Calvin due to his antisemitism revealed in this text:"

Your idea of God is still going to fry all the Jews, makes Calvin look like a saint by comparison.

He's going to put heavenly concentration camps for all the Jews who died as Jews at the hands of Nazis. Then he is going to throw them in a lake of fire, "ALL TO HIS GLORY, HAIL GOD!, HAIL VICTORY!"


If someone's master and idol is Hitler and said they were not Nazis, What would think of them?
He calls Hitler Good, He says his righteousness is above ours.

 

God Addresses your view that "God does not Work all things after The Cousel of His Own Will",

when you say "God Works your 'salvation' after The Counsel of your will",

when when you say "God Works your 'salvation' after your work of your faith",

when He Said, "God Works all things after The Counsel of His Own Will".

 

Those Bible Teachings are Truely Glorious, Eternal, and God-Honoring.

They are are compendium of God's Teaching, regarding His One Covenant of Eternal Salvation Made
by The Triune Godhead, in Eternity Past.

The Infinite Facts in The Spiritual Realm of Reality listed in the first one, is the rational explanation to Saved souls for the reason lost souls can not Spiritually decern it, or the other four.

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This position may be the first statement that I have ever read, by Calvin'.

Sounds similar to a Fig Tree cursed to no longer bear fruit and vanish away.

If this is not in store for the Jews, they would be brought up by Jesus somewhere in Matthew 13.

Calvin was writing long after The Bible.



Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.

 

Yet another denial of scripture, more putting words in my mouth, more fallacies to support false doctrine.

Ephesians 1:11 NASB In Him "also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,"

Analysis:

1) We, born anew believers, have obtained an inheritance when we were placed "in Him." Not before.

2) Those placed in Christ are then predestined to obtain the inheritance. Not before.

3) God's purpose was to choose for Himself a people for His own possession.

4) God achieves His purpose through the implementation of His redemption plan, which works all things after the counsel of His will.

 

That depends upon one's understanding of said Scriptures, Van.

My replies in bolded green within the body of your quoted text.

 

1) We, born anew believers, have obtained an inheritance when we were placed "in Him." Not before. Believers in Jesus Christ were placed "in Him" before the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 1:4-5 ), not after.

2) Those placed in Christ are then predestined to obtain the inheritance. Not before. Again, their inheritance was a sure thing...from the foundation of the world ( Matthew 25:34, 1 Peter 1:4 )

Ephesians 1:4-5 indicates when God chose His Redeemer, the result was our corporate election because you do not choose a Redeemer without a plan to redeem, thus He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. Why could this not be an individual election. Because 1 Peter 2:9-10 says we lived not as a people, so we could not have been chosen individually before creation. It is a lock.

Matthew 25:34 refers to "from" or since the foundation of the world, not before.
1 Peter 1:4 simply says our inheritance is reserved in heaven for us, it does not say we did not obtain that inheritance when we were born anew. Because we did.

Recall James 2:5 which says we were chosen as poor to the world (which means we existed in the world when chosen for salvation individually) and that we were rich in faith, again requiring we were alive and had accepted the gospel, and also that we were heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God, again requiring that we were alive and loved God.

 

Ephesians 1:4-5 clearly states that believers were chosen "in Him", before the foundation of the world.
There is no such "animal" as "corporate election" that only seeks to sidestep God's right to have mercy and compassion upon whom He wills ( Romans 9:14-16 ).

" But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." ( 1 Peter 2:9-10 ).

In time past ( during the events of the "Old Testament" under the Law of Moses ), the Gentiles were not revealed to be a part of God's manifesting Himself to men. But now, under the new testament in Christ's blood, Gentile believers are known as part of those people, grafted into the olive tree ( Romans 11:13-32 ) by God.
This mystery was not made known until the Lord showed Peter and Paul, and was only alluded to by Jesus Christ ( John 10:16 ).
See Ephesians 2:11-18, where the prophecy of the Gentiles being made one with the Jews in salvation is but one place it is revealed.

Finally,
Election is definitely a lock...a double one.
No man can come to the Father except through Christ ( John 14:6 ), and no one can come to Christ except the Father draw him ( John 6:44 ).


God's eternal mercy extends to those He has decided to save and no one else.

 

From the foundation is from the moment God decided to make the world.
Not after day 7.

You appear to understand it one way, I understand it another.

1 Peter 1:4 simply says a bit more than an inheritance that is reserved in Heaven for the believer.
It says:

" to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you," ( 1 Peter 1:4 ).

We did not obtain it when we were born anew, we "obtained it" as a gift from the moment the Lord set His mind to reserving a people for Himself.

That gift ( an eternal relationship with God through Jesus Christ ) was determined when the Lord bestowed it upon the elect, those who would later become believers in His Son...in eternity past ( 1 Peter 1:20 ).
The gift of eternal life, which is to know God and His Son ( John 17:2-3 ).
Christ, our inheritance, sits at the right hand of God the Father and is reserved in Heaven for us until He comes again.

" After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I [am] thy shield, [and] thy exceeding great reward." ( Genesis 15:1 )


God is our shield and exceeding great reward...not pleasures or earthly riches, like so many today have their eyes fixed on.

 

Recall James 2:5 which states,

" Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? "

Has God not chosen the poor of this world, rich in faith?
Has God not chosen the poor of this world, heirs of the kingdom which He has promised to them that love Him?
Yes, He has...He did the choosing, and did not rely on our "choice"...one which we would only have chosen against, were it left up to us.

There are no "requirements".
There is only evidence.

Otherwise, salvation is by works...man's efforts.

The poor of this world that are rich in faith are true believers.
They are the elect.
The are not blind to the Gospel ( 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ), but are alive unto God ( Romans 6:1-11 ).
They have believed the Gospel of their salvation ( John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24 )...not to gain salvation, but because they already have it.

Christ's sheep follow Him, because they are His sheep....not to become His sheep.
No man can perform an act that takes one from being lost, to being saved...not even belief.
That is false doctrine and violates Romans 11:5-6 as well as Ephesians 2:9.

Belief is a gift ( Philippians 1:29 ) that accompanies God's gift of eternal life..a gift among many.

The saved were determined from the foundation of the world, at the time the Lord decided to create it ( Ephesians 1:4-5 ), not after its creation.
They were always saved, and never in any danger of being lost.

Christ came and died for them, and for no one else ( Matthew 1:21, John 10:11 ).

What offends so many today, is that God did all of this according to the counsel of His own will, and not man's.
We weren't even consulted in the entire affair.

 

I have presented the obvious truth, and you have denied, (1) corporate election, (2) we were once not a people chosen by God, and (3) 1 Peter 2:9-10 is addressed to believers. There is nothing I can say to present scriptural truth with more clarity.

 

Good grief, God chose those poor to the world, rich in faith, and heirs to the kingdom, therefore a conditional election. And I see you too claim faith is works, ignoring Romans 4:4-5.

As I said before, there is nothing more I can say when you deny obvious scriptural truth.

 

The interpretation of the scripture (his hermeneutic) is perhaps nonsense.
But where Alan directly quotes scripture that cannot be nonsense.
For a believer scripture itself cannot be nonsense.

If the interpretation is at fault and if you call his hermeneutic nonsense then the Rules of Debate require a rebuttal.

I'll give a rebuttal in the next post

 

But Alan God makes the rules not you.

Remember our dialogue about Cain.
Cain and GOD apparently had an UNDERSTANDABLE discourse or why should GOD even talk to Cain?

ALSO the dead can hear the Gospel and reject it.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

BOTH CLAUSES in the first clause All the dead SHALL hear HIS VOICE (future indicative - hear with ears).
Second clause: and they that hear shall live (Aorist indicative - those who hearken) shall live.

Felix and Agrippa illustrate this truth of hearing, understanding yet rejecting

Felix:
Acts 24:25 And as he (Paul/Felix) reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee.

Agrippa:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

 

They almost did, Hank:

" When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side." ( Matthew 13:19 )

 

He was like the multitude that attend church, or read the bible, or have gone to a Crusade, who heard the Gospel message, and yet kept on denying Jesus to save them from their sins!

 

So, the suffix, 'pre', means, 'after'.

Isn't that just the damnedest thing, ever.

 

Yet more evidence the post cannot grasp basic truths. If God plans, predestines, to raise every person He puts in Christ, those affected are not predestined to be raised until they are put in Christ. So simple a child could understand it.

 

Yeah, you are pre-waiting until you are under-destinated.