Revelation 12 - a Verse by Verse, and even phrase by phrase study

Verse 8:

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.





•“And prevailed not” – The Son of God won, the son of perdition lost, see also 1 Sam. 2:9, 17:50; 2 Sam. 32:12; 1 Chr. 29:11; 2 Chr. 14:11; Psa. 9:19, 12:4, 13:4-5, 98:1-3, 129:2; Ecc. 4:12; Son. 8:7; Isa. 42:13; Jer. 1:19, 5:22, 15:20, 20:11; Mat. 16:15-18; Act. 19:20; 1 Cor. 15:57; Col. 2:15; 1 Jhn. 4:4, 5:4; Rev. 3:21, 5:5.

•“neither was their place found any more in heaven” – All their ‘offices’ became vacant (Jud. 1:6), and ready to receive new ministers, the redeemed of God, the new light-bearers; see Psa. 24:3-4, 37:10; Eze. 28:19; Dan. 2:35, 12:1; Mat. 11:23, 23:12; Luk. 1:52, 10:15, 14:11, 18:14; Jhn. 14:1-3; Eph. 4:27; Rev. 20:11,15.

 

Verse 9:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What sound does the serpent make?​

“… iffffffffffffff …”

- Mat. 4:3,6, 27:40,43; Luk. 4:3,9. ​

•The devil implies …

•If we’re really a ‘son of God’, then surely we have the power to make something the word of God (bread) which was not the word of God (stone), right?

•If we’re really a ‘son of God’, then surely we can seek to place ourselves in the highest position in the Church without coming to injury, right?

•If we’re really a ‘son of God’, then surely we should claim all the things of this world without permission from the Father, and divert a little bit of worship from Him to someone or something else, right?

•Let us turn unto God, as one who repents of the ways of the serpent.​

•“And the great dragon was cast out” – The ‘scorner’ was ‘cast out’ of the Heavenly temple for being a ‘money changer’ (Eze. 28:5,16,18), see Gen. 21:10; Lev. 20:23; Deut. 6:19; Pro. 22:10; Jer. 7:15; Zep. 3:15; Zec. 1:21; Mat. 5:13, 8:12,16, 9:33, 10:8, 12:26-28, 21:12; Mar. 1:34,39, 3:15,23, 6:13, 9:38, 11:15, 16:17; Luk. 9:49, 11:14,18-20,32, 19:45; Jhn. 6:37; Gal. 4:30.

•“that old” – Ancient, and part of the ‘old creation’, and thus will pass away, not being part of the New Creation, not found in Christ Jesus; see Gen. 3:1; Psa. 102:26; Isa. 51:6; 2 Cor. 5:17; Heb. 1:11; 2 Pet. 2:5; Rev. 20:2.

•“serpent” – Venomous and subtil beast, the devil; Gen. 3:1-2,4,13,14; Psa. 58:4, 140:3; Pro. 23:32; Ecc. 10:11; Isa. 27:1; Mic. 7:17; Luk. 11:11,13; 2 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:14-15, 20:2.

•“called the Devil” – Named (character, “as his name is, so is he”; 1 Sam. 25:25) “Slanderer”, “false accuser” (devil); see 1 Jhn. 3:8,10; 1 Tim. 3:11; 2 Tim. 3:3; Tit. 2:3.

•“and Satan” – Named “adversary” (H7853,H7854; G4566,G4567), “accusing”; see 2 Sam. 19:22; 1 Ki. 5:4, 11:14,23,25; 1 Chr. 21:1; Job. 1:6-12, 2:1-7; Psa. 38:20, 71:13, 109:4,6,20,29; Dan. 10:13,20-21; Zec. 3:1-2; Jud. 1:9; see also Ezr. 4:6, and see also Rom. 16:20.

•“which deceiveth” – Seducing through error, going throughout with intent, wander or lead out of “the way” (Jhn. 14:6) by another “way” (my way, as at tower of Babel), leading away from the word of God, for first the serpent deceived the woman (a church), that he through her might lead astray all humanity (Adam), and only those who have a love of the truth (2 Thes. 2:10) as it is in Christ Jesus would not be deceived, see Gen. 31:7; Lev. 6:2; Deut. 11:16; 2 Ki. 21:9; Job. 15:31; Pro. 20:1; Isa. 19:13, 44:20; Jer. 49:6; Lam. 1:19; Eze. 13:10, 14:9; Oba. 1:3,7; Mat. 22:29, 24:24; Mar. 12:24,27; Luk. 21:8; Jhn. 7:47; Rom. 7:11; 1 Cor. 6:9,15:33; Gal. 6:7; 1 Tim. 2:14; 2 Tim. 3:13; Tit. 3:3; Heb. 3:10; Jam. 1:6, 5:19; 1 Pet. 2:25; 2 Pet. 2:15; 1 Jhn. 2:26; Rev. 2:20, 13:14, 18:23, 19:20, 20:10.

•“the whole world” – As in Adam all die (1 Cor. 15:22), through sin (Rom. 5:12), thus the whole world was deceived when Adam was led astray by the woman, being used by the serpent (beast), for before Adam had “dominion” (Gen. 1:26,28) over the beasts, but then through “lust” (2 Pet. 1:4), the serpent gained “dominion” over Adam (Gen. 4:7), and all born after the flesh; and though the serpent ‘gained the whole world’, he had already lost his soul, and though Adam sought to gain even the one thing he was not to have, the tree forbidden, he too came under the same condemnation; see also Mat. 16:26; Mar. 8:36; Luk. 9:25; 1 Jhn. 5:19; Rev. 16:14.

•“he was cast out into the earth” – Perfect Love (God) “cast out” the spirit of fear (1 Jhn. 4:18), Lucifer, once an exalted angel in Heaven, fell by transgression (Act. 1:25) of pride (I will), going from next to Christ Jesus in honour as the “anointed cherub that covereth” (Eze. 28:14), to becoming as low as the dust of the earth, and to eat thereof (Gen. 3:14; Isa. 65:25; Mic. 7:17), and yet God shows that He can take of the dust (humble, humility, submitted) of the earth (Adam), when filled by His Holy Spirit (thy Will), and exalt them to the highest place (Jhn. 14:1-3), next to Christ Jesus upon His throne (Rev. 3:21), see Luk. 10:18; 2 Pet. 2:4. See also notes on “And the great Dragon was cast out”.

•“and his angels were cast out with him” – As the ‘head’ (Lucifer) became infected with sin (white spot (Lev. 13:2) of flesh (carnal); Jud. 1:23) and darkness, his whole ‘body’ became full of darkness (Mat. 6:22-23; Luk. 11:33-36), and thus being leprous and contagious, had to be removed, even ‘cut off’ (Exo. 12:19; Lev. 7:21,25, 22:3; Deut. 23:1 (1 Cor. 15:46); Jos. 3:16; 1 Ki. 9:7; 2 Chr. 32:21; Zec. 11:16; Mal. 2:12; Mat. 5:29-30, 18:7-9; Mar. 9:43-48; Rom. 11:22, 12:4-5; 1 Cor. 6:15, 12:12,18,20; Gal. 5:12), from the ‘camp of the saints’ (New Jerusalem; Rev. 20:9; Lev. 13:46), and placed in the ‘wilderness’ (Lev. 13:1-59, 14:1-57; Num. 12:10-16), for “seven days”. Beware that the ‘light” in us is really “light” and not “darkness” pretending to be ‘light’, which is ‘lie-ght’.



2Ti_1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love [God]; but perfect love [God] casteth out fear [Satan's spirit]: because fear hath torment. He that feareth [as Satan does in his doubt] is not made perfect in love [God].

 

Verse 10:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.



•“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven” – Lucifer, was then unmasked, as the murderer he was, see 2 Sam. 22:14; Psa. 18:13; Jhn. 12:29 (remember "Heaven" is symbolic name of earthly Canaan, pointing to Heavenly Canaan, see notes on Revelation 12:1):

–Mat. 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
–Mar. 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
–Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. ​

•“Now is come salvation” – Time statement as fulfillment of Dan. 9:26-27, “midst of the week” (70th week), which began to be counted from 457 B.C (Confirmed) (also here) (and here).; Ezr. 6:14, 7:1-28, unto the Cross of Calvary in A.D. 31; as promised (Psa. 61:5, 116:14,18; Jhn. 3:16, 19:28) from Gen. 3:15,21, confirming the “covenant” (Psa. 89:3,28,34, 105:8; Isa. 13:12, 42:6; Jer. 31:31-34; Eze. 36:25-29, 37:26-28; Mal. 2:5, 3:1; Mat. 26:28; Mar. 14:24; Luk. 22:20; Jhn. 17:24, 19:30; Rom. 11:27; 1 Cor. 11:25; Heb. 8:7-13, 10:16,29, 12:24, 13:20); Heb. 2:3; Rom. 15:8; to be delivered from our sins; see Gen. 49:18; Exo. 15:2; 1 Sam. 11:13; 2 Sam. 22:3,47; 1 Chr. 16:8-36; Psa. 18:46, 27:1, 35:9, 106:47-48; Isa. 56:1-8; Lam. 3:26; Jon. 2:9; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:13,18; Zec. 9:9; Mat. 1:21; Luk. 1:77, 3:6; Act. 4:12; Rom. 1:16; 2 Cor. 6:2; 1 Thes. 5:9; 2 Tim. 2:10, 3:15; Tit. 2:11; Heb. 2:3,10, 5:9,6:9, 9:28; 1 Pet. 1:9-11.

•“and strength” – A.D. 31; see Rom. 5:6; We were “dead in trespasses and sins” (Eph. 2:1; Ecc. 9:5-6,10; Rom. 7:6; Col. 2:13), but now we are made alive through the blood and sacrifice of Christ Jesus, quickened, strengthened with life from God’s Holy Spirit to live righteously (Psa. 18:32, 20:2, 28:8); see also Isa. 40:29; Dan. 2:37; Joe. 3:16; Zec. 10:12; Luk. 1:51; Jhn. 15:5; Act. 3:7; 2 Cor. 12:9; Eph. 3:16; Phi. 4:13; 1 Pet. 2:24, 5:10.

•“and the kingdom of our God” – Jesus was crowned “King” (Mat. 27:29; Mar. 15:17; Jhn. 19:2,5) and dominion was taken back from the devil; see Mat. 12:28, 28:18; Mar. 1:15, 12:28-34; Luk. 17:20-21; Jhn. 3:3,5; Rom. 14:17; 1 Cor. 4:20, 6:9-10, 15:50; Gal. 5:18-21; Heb. 4:16.

•“and the power” – Love of God demonstrated in Jesus at Calvary (Mar. 12:30,33; Luk. 10:27); see Rom. 1:16-17, 5:8; 1 Cor. 1:18,24, 2:5; 2 Cor. 6:7, 13:4; 2 Tim. 1:8; 1 Pet. 1:5.

•“of his Christ” – The “anointed” (Prophet, Priest & King), see 2 Sam. 22:51; Psa. 2:2, 18:50, 20:6, 28:8.

–Prophet; (Deut. 18:15,18-19; Hos. 12:13; Mat. 13:57, 21:11,46; Mar. 6:4; Luk. 4:24, 7:16, 13:33, 24:19; Jhn. 4:19,44, 6:14, 7:40, 9:17; Act. 3:22,23, 7:37, etc.)

–Priest; (type: Gen. 14:18; Heb. 7:1,11,15; type: Exo. 28:1; Heb. 9:7, 10:11,21, 23:11, etc.; Psa. 110:4; Zec. 6:13; Mal. 2:7; Heb. 2:17, 3:1, 4:14,15, 5:1,5,6,10, 6:20, 7:3,17,20,21,26, 8:1,3,4, 9:11,25; Rev. 1:10-20, etc.)

–King; (Isa. 9:7; Dan. 2:44, 7:14,27; Mic. 5:2; Mat. 2:2, 21:5, 25:34,40, 27:11,29,37; Mar. 15:2,9,12,18,26,32; Luk. 14:31, 19:38, 23:2,3,38; Jhn. 1:49, 12:13,15, 18:37,39, 19:3,12,14,15,19,21; Act. 17:7; 1 Tim. 1:17, 6:15; Heb. 7:2; Rev. 17:14, 19:16, etc.)
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•“for the accuser of our brethren” – Satan the accuser (see notes on “called the Devil”) and the “brethren” are the saints on earth are family (by adoption) to those in Heaven; Luk. 10:20; Rom. 8:15,23, 9:4; 2 Cor. 8:3; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5, 3:15; Heb. 2:11-12,17, 3:1, 12:23; Rev. 19:10, 22:9.

•“is cast down” – De-throned, un-seated, over-thrown, from the position of authority of ‘dominion’ of this world and trapped here on earth, in the pit, and not yet destroyed (see also 2 Cor. 4:9); see 2 Chr. 25:8; Jer. 8:12; Psa. 36:12, 56:7; Jhn. 12:31, 16:11.

•“which accused them” – See notes on “for the accuser of our brethren”.

•“before our God” – Our Father, who has chosen us in Christ Jesus (Eph. 1:4), and we in Him, see Mat. 6:9; Luk. 11:2; 1 Jhn. 4:19.

•“day and night” – Continually (Psa. 42:3; Isa. 60:11), without reprieve, non-stop; see Pro. 30:10.

 

Verse 11:

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.













•“And they” – The Saints in Christ Jesus, the “brethren”, see Rev. 12:10.

•“overcame” – Victory over satan, sin (1 Jhn. 3:4) and selfishness; see Gen. 49:19 (Rev. 7:5); Num. 13:30; Luk. 11:22; Jhn. 16:33; Rom. 12:21; 1 Jhn. 2:13-14, 4:4, 5:4-5; Rev. 2:7,11,17,26, 3:5,12,21, 21:7.

•“him” – The enemy of all souls, the Dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, see Rev. 12:9-10.

•“by” – The means which it is accomplished, see Jhn. 1:29,36; 2 Cor. 3:18.

•“the blood of the Lamb” – For the “life of the flesh is in the blood”, see Lev. 17:11; Jhn. 6:53-57.

•“and by the word of their testimony” – God is true, faithful, love and so they “Amen” Jesus Christ’s witness by their repented lives, see Psa. 119:88; Mat. 10:18; Mar. 6:11, 13:9; Luk. 21:12-13; Jhn. 3:11, 21:24; Act. 10:42, 20:24; Heb. 11:5,32-40, 1 Jhn. 4:14; Rev. 6:9.

•“and they loved not their lives” – They loved God; see Luk. 11:46; Jhn. 15:19; 1 Jhn. 2:15.

•“unto the death” – Death to self, the Cross and even martyrdom (witness); see Mat. 16:24; Mar. 8:34, 10:21; Luk. 9:23, 11:46; Phi. 2:8; Heb. 12:4; Rev. 6:9-11, 20:4.

 

Verse 12:

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



•“Therefore” – For all that which went before, or because of the things previously described, the conclusion is reached.

•“Rejoice” – Jesus Christ was victorious at the cross; see Psa. 9:2,14, 24:1-10.

•“ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them” – Unfallen beings of the unfallen worlds (thy will be done in heaven; Mat. 6:10; Luk. 11:2), see; 1 Ki. 22:19; 2 Chr. 18:18; Job. 1:6, 2:1; 38:4-7; Isa. 13:5; Dan. 7:9-10; Mat. 18:11-13; Luk. 15:4-7; Jhn. 14;1-4; Rom. 9:29; Eph. 1:10; Heb. 1:2, 11:3, 12:1; Jam. 5:4; Rev. 5:3-4,13, 19:4-6,19.

•See also the "thrones" - Dan. 7:9; Mat. 19:28; Col. 1:16; Rev. 4:4, 11:16, 20:4; "dominions" - Job. 25:2; Psa. 103:22, 114:2, 145:13; Dan. 4:3,34, 6:26; Mic. 4:8 (Gen. 1:26,28; Psa. 8:6 72:8; Dan. 7:27; Zec. 9:10; 1 Pet. 4:11, 5:11; Jud. 1:25; Rev. 1:6); Eph. 1:20-21; Col. 1:16; Jud. 1:8; "principalities" - Rom. 8:38; Eph. 1:20-21, 3:10, 6:12; Col. 1:16, 2:15, Tit. 3:1; "powers" - Eph. 1:20-21, 3:10, 6:12; Col. 1:16; Tit. 3;1; 1 Pet. 3:22; "rulers of" - Eph. 6:12; "above" - Col. 3:1-2; "all that are in" - Eph. 1:10, 3:15; Rev. 5:3-4,13, 19:5-6; see also "Kingdom of God", "kingdom of heaven", "throne of God", "Lord of hosts", "sabaoth", “angels”, “seraphims”, “cherubims“, “elders/ancients”, “living creatures/beasts”, etc.​

–For more on the Heavenly beings, see “Michael the archangel [03] - The word “angel” as defined and used” - Link​

•“Woe” – Terrible sadness and judgment (Pro. 23:29); see also Rev. 8:13, 9:12, 11:14, and “for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” Rev. 12:12; Mat. 18:7; Mar. 13:17; Luk. 17:1, 21:23, and also Ecc. 4:10.

•“to the inhabiters” – Those who live or dwell in an area; see Rev. 8:13, 11:10, 17:2,8.

•“of the earth” – The people of the dry land (Gen. 1:9-10) see also Rev. 8:13, 11:10, 17:2,5,8, also see Rev. 3:10, 6:8, 7:1-3, 8:7, 9:1,3-4, 11:10, 13:8,11-14, 16:14.

•“and of the sea” – A gathering together of many waters (Gen. 1:10), also those of the islands, see Rev. 7:1-3, 8:8-9, 13:1.

•“for” – The reason, or the cause (be-cause) of the “woe” to “the inhabiters of the earth, and the sea”, Rev. 12:12.

•“the devil is come down unto you” – Fallen down (again; Luk. 10:18), being defeated at Calvary, see notes on Rev. 12:10.

•“having great wrath” – Anger, Fury (Jer. 21:5; Dan. 2:12), see Pro. 19:19, 21:19, 22:24, 29:22; Ecc. 7:9; Dan. 11:44; Act. 19:28; Mat. 5:22; Heb. 11:27.

•“because he knoweth that he hath but a short time” – Angels (unfallen or fallen) study God’s prophecies (Dan. 10:21; Mat. 4:6; Luk. 4:10) and Satan knew from Daniel’s prophecies, see Dan. 7:25, 8:13,14,26, 11:33, 12:7,11-13; Rev. 9:13-15.

 

The word "angel" simply means 'messenger' or 'ambassador', 'one sent with a message', and so Lucifer being in said position, as Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, etc portray, makes him an 'archangel' as Jude 1:6 also relates, having abandoned his arch office., see also Rev. 9:11, the 'angel' of the bottomless pit, ultimately Satan, though not only, and see also 2 Corinthians 11:4 and 1 Corinthians 6:3, for even satan himself shall be judged by the saints. 2 Peter 2:4 refers to Lucifer's own fall.

I don't really have any quarrel with that.

He was indeed the highest created being, according to the texts already cited. True.

Agreed.

That is nowhere in scripture. If you refer to Daniel, it states the reverse, in that it was Gabriel who needed the assistance from Michael (Uncreated angel of the LORD (Father), Son of God) to overcome the devil (Daniel 10:13). In Daniel 11:1, it is chiastically sealed in that Gabriel stood to confirm and strengthen Darius the Mede ("him").

[A1] Also I (Gabriel; chapter 10)
[B1] in the first year
[C1] of Darius the Mede
[A2] even I (Gabriel, chapter 10)
[B2] stood to confirm and strenthen him [Darius the Mede]
[C2] (implied) {in the first year; Daniel 6:1, 9:1}

 

Verse 13:

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.





•“And when” – Time statement, A.D. 31., see notes on “Now is come salvation”.


•“the dragon saw” – Understood, knowledge, experience; see Gen. 3:6-7.

•“that he was cast unto the earth” – Satan could no more access Heaven, for Jesus Christ wrested from him the “dominion”, see Mat. 28:18; Luk. 10:8; Jhn. 12:31.

•“he persecuted” – Beginning with the Sanhedrin, and Saul of Tarsis, Romans, Apostates, see Dan. 8:9-14, 11:33-35; Mat. 5:11,44, 10:23, 23:34, 24:21; Mar. 4:17; Luk. 21:12; Jhn. 15:20; Act. 4:29, 7:54-60, 8:1, 9:1, 11:19, 13:50; Rom. 8:35, 12:14; 2 Cor. 7:4, 11:24-28; Gal. 5:11, 6:12; 1 Tim. 1:13; 2 Tim. 3:12, 4:14; Rev. 2:10.

•“the woman which brought forth the man child” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

 

Verse 14:

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

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•“And to the woman were given” – Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning., see Jam. 1:17.

•“two wings” – New areas opened up to the “east” and “west” and the word of God spread (Isa. 40:31), and as the woman is like unto a body of water also, when persecution came, the many peoples spread out like wings (Deut. 32:11) from the central body but were protected by God, see Exo. 19:4; Psa. 17:8, 36:7, 61:4, 63:7, 91:4.

•“of a great eagle” – Exalted, flying above all, dwelling among the high cliffs, among the munitions of rocks (Jer. 49:16); see Deut. 32:11; Job. 39:27; Pro. 23:5

•“that she might fly” – Run or flee for fear, from persecution, escape to save the life as Elijah did in the days of Jezebel (1 Ki. 19:3-8; Pro. 21:9,19, 25:24) or as Moses unto a wilderness with 7 sisters (Exo. 2:11-22), see 2 Sam. 15:14; 2 Ki. 9:3; Jer. 6:1, 48:6,9; Amo. 7:12-13; Mat. 2:13, 10:23, 24:26; Mar. 13:14; Luk. 21:21; Jhn. 10:5; Act. 7:29, 8:1,4-5,25,40, 9:2, 14:6, etc.; Heb. 11:34; Rev. 12:14.

•“into the wilderness” – A place of little waters, or population, a place of desolation, obscurity; see Gen. 1:9-10; Psa. 63:1, 107:33; Pro. 21:19; Isa. 14:17, 41:18; Jer. 50:12-13, 51:43; Eze. 19:13; Hos. 2:3,14, 13:5; Zep. 2:13; Mat. 15:33; Mar. 8:4; Luk. 5:16; Jhn. 11:54; 2 Cor. 11:26; Rev. 12:6,14,16; Rev. 12:6,14, 17:3; (see also Moses, Exo. 16:1-3,10,14; Psa. 68:7, 78:15,17,19,40,52, 95:8, 102:6, 106:14,26, 107:4, 136:16; Jhn. 3:14, 6:49; Act. 7:30,36,38,42,44, 13:18; 1 Cor. 10:5; Heb. 3:8,17 ); the opposite of which is waters, a place of dense population and many cities; see Gen. 1:10; Psa. 65:7, 107:35; Isa. 17:12-13; Jer. 51:42; Rev. 13:1, 17:15.

•“into her place” – The wilderness experience; see Psa. 68:10; Isa. 64:4; Jon. 4:6,8; 1 Cor. 2:9; Heb. 11:16; see also (Jesus) Mat. 4:1; Mar. 1:12-13; Luk. 4:1; Jhn. 14:1-18; (John the Baptist) Mat. 3:1,3, 11:7; Mar. 1:3-4 Luk. 3:2,4, 7:24; Jhn. 1:23.

•“where she is nourished” – Fed of God, through His word, and by the people dwelling in the ‘wilderness’; see Exo. 16:32; Deut. 8:3; Psa. 81:16; Hos. 11:4; Joe. 2:26; Mat. 4:4, 6:26, 25:37; Luk. 4:4, 12:24; Jhn. 6:57; 1 Cor. 10:1-5,11; Rev. 12:14 (“nourished”, see also Act. 12:20; Jam. 5:5; “brought up”, Luk. 4:16).

•“for a time, and times, and half a time” – A section of 2,300 years (Dan. 8:13-14,26; Rev. 9:13-15), which is 1,260 years (a day for a year*; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6), from A.D. 538 unto A.D. 1798: “until a time and times and the dividing of time”, Dan. 7:25; “for a time, times, and an half”, Dan. 12:7; “forty and two months”, Rev. 11:2; “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”, Rev. 11:3; “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”, Rev. 12:6; “for a time, and times, and half a time”, Rev. 12:14; “forty and two months”, Rev. 13:5; see also, “many days”, Dan. 11:33; see also “Gentiles”, Rev. 11:2; “until the times of the Gentiles”, Luk. 21:24; see also, “Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness”, Son. 3:6, 8:5.

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•“from the face of” – The countenance, that which is exposed to the world, or that which expresses the hidden character of the heart (Gen. 4:5-6, 31:2,5; Neh. 2:3; Pro. 15:13; Isa. 3:9; Eze. 27:35; Dan. 1:13, 5:6,9-10, 7:28; Luk. 9:29), and thus the peoples or nations (serpent is a ‘beast’) who expressed the will/heart of satan towards God’s people; see Gen. 35:7; Exo. 2:15; Deut. 28:50; Psa. 10:4; Isa. 16:4; Dan. 7:21,25, 8:10-14,23, 11:33-35,44.

•“the serpent” – Venomous and subtil beast, the devil; Gen. 3:1-2,4,13,14; Psa. 58:4, 140:3; Pro. 23:32; Ecc. 10:11; Isa. 27:1; Mic. 7:17; Luk. 11:11,13; 2 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:14-15, 20:2.

 

Verse 15:

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.





•“And the serpent cast out of his mouth” – In the heart of satan is murder (Jhn. 8:44) and expresses this by his ‘mouth’, see Job. 5:15, 41:19-21; Psa. 10:7, 17:10, 50:19, 59:7, 69:15; Pro. 10:6,11, 15:28; Isa. 57:4; Jer. 9:8, 23:16; Mat. 12:34, 15:11,18-20; Luk. 6:45, 19:22; Eph. 4:29; Col. 3:8; Rev. 16:13.

•“water as a flood” – Peoples of the nations that served the devil, and issued forth at his command, see 2 Sam. 22:5; Psa. 18:3-4, 32:6, 89:9-10, 93:3-4, 98:7-9, 124:1-5; Son. 8:7; Isa. 8:7, 17:12-13, 28:2, 59:19; Jer. 46:8, 47:2, 51:13; Eze. 31:15; Dan. 9:26, 11:22; Amo. 8:8, 9:5; Mat. 7:25,27; Jud. 1:13; Rev. 17:1,15.

•“after the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood” – Overwhelm and drown (kill); but they could not, see Psa. 18:3-4, 32:6, 104:6-9; 124:1-5.

 

Verse 16:

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.













•“And the earth” – see notes on “into the wilderness”.

•“helped” – To succour, give relief or aide to, for Christ Jesus knows what it is like to be persecuted for righteousness; see Mat. 15:25; Mar. 9:22,24; Act. 16:9; 2 Cor. 6:2; Heb. 2:18.

•“the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“and the earth opened her mouth” – see Gen. 4:11; Eze. 2:8.


•“and swallowed up the flood” – see Num. 13:32, 16:30,32, 26:10; Deut. 11:6; Job. 40:23; Psa. 55:15.

•“which the dragon cast out of his mouth” – see Mat. 12:34; Luk. 6:45.

 

Verse 17:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.















•“And the dragon was wroth with” – Satan is angry without a true cause, because the character of Christ Jesus reveals to himself that he is in the wrong, and so he persecutes; see Gen. 4:8,25; Mat. 5:22; 1 Jhn. 3:12.

•“the woman” – God’s people ((OT) Israel or (NT) Christians), flock, church, a body, bone of the man’s (Adam; Gen. 2:23; 1 Cor. 15:44-46) bone and flesh of His flesh, and the city (Mat. 12:10-11) in which they reside (New Jerusalem); see Jer. 6:2; Isa. 54:5, 61:10, 62:5 ; Act. 7:38; 1 Cor. 6:17; 2 Cor. 11:2; Gal. 4:26; Eph. 5:23-32; Rev. 19:7, 21:2-3,9; see also Jesus as the “bridegroom” – Mat. 9:15, 25:1,5-6,10; Mar. 2:19-20; Luk. 5:34-35; Jhn. 2:9, 3:29; Rev. 18:23; Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11; Joe. 2:16 and Song of Solomon (entire); see also (unfaithful) Jer. 3:14,20; Hos. 1:2, 2:2, etc.

•“and went to make war with” – The Great Controversy comes to a climax, see Dan. 9:26, 11:33-35,40-45; Luk. 14:31; Rev. 9:7,9, 13:7, 16:14,16, 19:18-19.

•“the remnant” – The final Faithful, that which remained true to God, whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of Life (Mar. 16:13; Rev. 3:2); see 2 Ki. 19:31; Ezr. 9:8; Isa. 1:9, 10:22, 37:32; Jer. 42:2; Eze. 14:22; Mic. 5:7-8, 7:18; Zep. 3:13; Rom. 9:8,27, 11:5; Phil. 4:3.

•“of her seed” – Jesus Christ, and all in Him; see Gen. 3:15; Rom. 9:8; Gal. 3:16.

•“which keep” – To have in the heart, to do them by love and faith; see Jhn. 14:15, 15:14; Exo. 15:26, 20:6; Deut. 7:9, 11:22, 13:18, 19:9, 27:10, 28:1,15, 30:8; Jos. 22:5; 1 Ki. 14:8; 1 Chr. 28:7; Neh. 10:29; Psa. 103:18, 111:10; 1 Jhn. 2:3,5, 3:22; Rev. 22:14.

•“the commandments of God” – Love; Love God and near-brother (Dan. 6:22); The Character of God in written transcript (stone (Exo. 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-6) and fleshy heart (Jer. 31:31-34; 2 Cor. 3:1-3)) see Exo. 20:1-17; Deut. 5:6-21, 6:1-5; Lev. 19:17-18; Ecc. 12:13-14; Mat. 5:1-7:27, 22:37; Mar. 12:30; Luk. 10:27, 11:42; Jhn. 8:42; 1 Jhn. 3:23.

•“and have” – Possess as one’s own, held onto; see 1 Tim. 1:19, 3:9; Rev. 6:9.

•“the testimony of Jesus Christ” – God is love; The Spirit of Prophecy, and also the ‘witness’ of the life of Jesus in our life, see Psa. 19:7, 78:5, 132:12; Isa. 8:16,20; Jhn. 3:33; Act. 22:18; 1 Cor. 1:6, 2:1, 2 Tim. 1:8; Rev. 1:2,9, 6:9, 19:10.

 

No. The scriptures says, that God always had Wisdom:

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.​

The text of Proverbs 8, in its entire context, says nothing about Wisdom being created. Wisdom is just another designation n scripture for the Son of God (in this case feminine type, in relation to the Father).

This does not make the Son of God literally a woman, but illustrates the submissive character of relationship of Son to that of the Father, wherein the Son always honours the Father's will [Exodus 20:12; Malachi 1:6 KJB], and thus is paralleled in 2 Samuel 12:3 KJB with the words, “was unto him as a daughter”, for Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father is “wisdom”:

1 Corinthians 1:24 KJB - But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 1:30 KJB - But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Luke 11:49 KJB - Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:​

For Luke 11:49 KJB, see also Jeremiah 7:25, 25:4, 26:5, 29:19, 35:15, 44:4 KJB:

Proverbs 3:19 KJB - The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

Psalms 104:24 KJB - O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.

Psalms 136:5 KJB - To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Isaiah 45:12 KJB - I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Jeremiah 10:12 KJB - He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Jeremiah 51:15 KJB - He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

Job 12:9 KJB - Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?

Job 12:12 KJB - With the ancient [is] wisdom; and in length of days understanding.

Job 12:13 KJB - With him [is] wisdom and strength, he hath counsel and understanding.

Job 12:16 KJB - With him [is] strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver [are] his.

Colossians 2:1 KJB - For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and [for] them at Laodicea, and [for] as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;

Colossians 2:2 KJB - That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

Colossians 2:3 KJB - In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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Please do not wrest Proverbs 8, and turn the Uncreated into created, for that follows the path of the Arian, and WTS/JW.

 

Again, No. With the Father, in Eternity, was Wisdom:

"possessed [me]" - Proverbs 8:22 KJB, H7069

קנה ; qânâh

Total KJB Occurrences: 86

buy, 24

bought, 21

get, 9

purchased, 5

buyer, 3

getteth, 3

got, 3

possessed, 3

buyest, 2

possessor, 2

attain, 1

cattle, 1

getting, 1

gotten, 1

jealousy, 1

keep, 1

owner, 1

possessors, 1

recover, 1

redeemed, 1

verily, 1

The subject, “me”, of that which is “possessed” of “the LORD” is “wisdom” [Proverbs 8:1,11,12,14 KJB].

Proverbs 3:19 KJB - The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.​

The text of Proverbs 3:19 KJB, is in perfect parallel with Proverbs 8:22,30 KJB, in that the Father “by Jesus” made all things:

1 Corinthians 8:6 KJB - But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 5:8 KJB - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Ephesians 3:9 KJB - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

John 1:1 KJB - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 KJB - The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 KJB - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10 KJB - He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Hebrews 1:1 KJB - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 KJB - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 1:3 KJB - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Colossians 1:15 KJB - Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 KJB - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:17 KJB - And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:18 KJB - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Colossians 1:19 KJB - For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;​

The context of Proverbs 8 KJB eliminates the meanings/uses of “buy”, “bought”, “get”, “purchased”, “buyer”, “getteth”, “got”, “buyest”, “attain”, “cattle” [property], “getting” [obtain, possess], “gotten” [obtained, received [a birth, Cain from Eve]], “jealousy”, “recover” [buy/purchase back at cost to oneself], “redeemed” [buy/purchase back at cost to oneself], “verily [buy]” [truly purchase at dear sacrificial cost], since the words “in the beginning of his way” [Proverbs 8:22 KJB], “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning” [Proverbs 8:23 KJB], “I was there” [Proverbs 8:27 KJB], “Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;” [Proverbs 8:30 KJB], except it be connected to the redemption plan as it is in Christ Jesus, or to the effect that the Father exchanged words with the Son, and the Son believed the Father, or an interchange, exchange of ideas [like as merchandising], the Father sharing His will with the Son, and the Son rejoicing in that will.

The context of Proverbs 8 KJB thus helps us to know that the phrase “possessed me” carries with it the meanings of “possessor”, “possessors”, which is to intimately know through and through [such as the word “possession” is understood, such that the Holy Ghost/Spirit should possess the whole heart, lest devils occupy/possess it], or to completely occupy or dwell in fully [such as to “possess” the land/earth, and the heart is the like unto the soil], to be LORD or Master of [such as a Father unto a Son], to own [to belong to someone's person], to have all or the whole entirety of something such as the whole mind/heart/spirit, for instance:

Psalms 139:13 KJB - For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Joshua 21:43 KJB - And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Jeremiah 32:23 - And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:

John 14:10 KJB - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 14:11 KJB - Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.​

The context of Proverbs 8 KJB thus helps us to know that the phrase “possessed me” carries with it the meanings of “keep” [raise cattle, like as to raise a sheep, like as a Lamb, the Lamb of God in the Father's care], “owner” [one who has a purchased possession, such as a cow or Lamb]. The image then is of a tender compassionate Father caring for His Son, holding the Son in His arms, close to His bosom [as Jesus had done with John], cherishing the relationship as Father to Son:

Genesis 22:8 KJB - And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

John 1:29 KJB - The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:36 KJB - And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

1 Peter 1:19 KJB - But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

2 Samuel 12:3 KJB - But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.​