And There Was War In Heaven

And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Rev. 6:v.3-4

 

I don't see a problem really with Space Command. It had to happen, warfare depending on land, sea, air, space, and cyber assets isn't the future, it's already here. Cyber Command should be next.

That said, I am against a space force. It is just asking to weaponize space and start an arms race.

 

Oh yes, it "has always been" since the beginning. Genesis 4:v.8 - 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. - Bad, very bad -

The Word of the Devil is ruled by the spirit of Cain, spirit of Devil. The most important now is Revelation 11:v.15 & 18

15 ... The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. - WOE OF THEM ALL , they will know how is the wrath of our God from now on -

 

In order to have a military force to effectively intercept and destroy INTERCONTINENTAL ballistic missiles a SPACE FORCE is an absolute necessity.

A Space Force is also a necessity to protect our defensive satellites and house an inventory of nuclear retaliation missiles.

Russia knows this and is VERY upset at Trump's resolve to create a SPACE FORCE.

The very first mission will no doubt be the creation of a colossal squadron of well armed military Space Stations along with the rebirth of the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS).

 

Lol, "The sky is falling!"

A joint command, to centralize activities the separate services have been doing for decades.

Now, Space Force as a separate service? I'm on the fence on whether or not that's a good idea.

But realistically, we need to do something similar with Cyber. Model it like the NOAA commissioned corps or the USPHS commissioned corps. A .gov hacker doesn’t necessarily need to meet PT and height/weight standards, or be able to follow the trajectory/education of a regular troop. Maybe the same goes for Space Force.

 

My main worry is that a space force will snowball into weapons in space, when the Command requests an "offensive" conventional capability. China, the US and Europe, and Russia have differing technological edges. Weapons in space will be hard to predict because it is all cutting edge science, let alone engineering. Even harder to predict than land, air, and sea weapons. It's a new game where we may not have the edge for long.

 

The ball is already on the field and the game is on. Therefore, you either play the game to win or go home and stick your head in a hole in the ground while pretending it doesn't exist.

 

So, that's no reason to keep from trying.

 

I understand your points. It is inevitable in many ways to have weapons in space. We might as well get there first and build an edge. I will have to do some more thinking on the issue.

 

Yes, getting there first gives us the advantage of watching up front and close what the Communist nations are doing.

 

"And There Was War In Heaven"

Analysing the title of this topic by Scriptures, I would say that the correct title would be

"And There Was War In Sky", that is the physical space of Universe.

Heaven(s) is / are celestial places in Christ as it is revealed in Ephesians 1:3, among others biblical references.

Eph.1:v.3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

Genesis 1:v. 1 says: In the beginning --> i.e. in JESUS <-- God created the heavens and the earth. All things were made by Him - by JEUSU -; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.


But there will be War in Heaven really.

Revelation 12:v.3-4 and 7-13
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great Red Dragon, having 7 heads* and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his (7) heads.
4 And his TAIL** drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

* 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his (7) heads. Revelation 13:v.1
** The TAIL of the Red Dragon. Isaiah 9:v.15-16

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels - his followers - fought against the Dragon; and the Dragon fought and his angels, - his followers -

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Fellow in Christ

Oseas

 

"War among the stars" may be more biblically apt. The reality is very depressing when you think about it biblically. Man has warred on the earth, in the sky, and soon among the stars. The third heaven is marred by war due to Satan and his angels. The rebellion against God Our Father in heaven will only stop marring His creation with war through Jesus Christ's return. Even then we will have rebellion when Satan is released at the end of the Millennium.

 

Yes, sad, true.

 

This is a Christian forum. The expression "heaven" is biblical, heaven is celestial, sky is not biblical, it is the physical - material - espace of Universe. But the material things are figure of spiritual things. The parables of our Lord JESUS are good examples.

 

I was using the Hebraic idea of the three heavens. The first heaven is where clouds are, the second heaven is where stars are, and the third heaven is God's throne. I should not have used as nebulous a word as sky though, you are right. I hope that explains my thinking.

 

Oh my dear brother in Christ Steven

As I said above, the material things are figure of spiritual things. The parables of JESUS are good examples. What you described as "heavens", actually are regions of spaces in the sky.

See, heaven(s) are celestial or heavenly environment in Christ. Ephesians 1:v.3, for example, say: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Which are these heavenly places in Christ?

What did God reveal to Moses? Genesis 1:v.1 - In the beginning -in JESUS- God created the heavens - the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens - and the earth. Without JESUS was not any thing made that was made.

What was the 1st heaven - first celestial or heavenly environment - our God created? It was The Old Testament - The Law and the Prophets beginning by Moses who received great and very deep revelations from the Most High and Almighty God.

What was or is the 2nd heaven - the 2nd celestial or heavenly environment - our God created? It was or is yet The New Testament - this 2nd heaven was planted by the Lord JESUS Christ with His apostles and disciples, His Church, His body .

What will be the 3rd heaven - the 3rd celestial or heavenly environment - our God will establish in this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day? Paul, the Apostle, did write to the Corinthians, saying: 2 Corinthians 12:v.2-4
2 I knew a man in Christ ...(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Read Luke 20:v.35-36 and 1 Cor.15:v.51-58 and Revelation among others.


What or how will be the indescribable environment of the heaven of the heavens? Be sure that here, in the heaven of the heavens, will begin the Eternity.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords

Oseas


PS.
Rev. 5:v.10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.