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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 3rdAngel, Sep 3, 2019.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    No, as not in His nature, as He is "limited" to do only what His attributes and Nature permits!
     
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    No one wills themselves to love God. We love God as we believe and follow His Word. God's Word is the power of creation through the Spirit in all those who believe *GALATIANS 5:16.
     
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    Faith (believing) in God's Word is the start and the end in being born again to walk in newness of life *JOHN 3:3-8; JOHN 3:15-21; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 5:4 to change the sin nature into God's nature.
     
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    They cannot believe. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit they must have before they can believe. They hate God and will only fabricate an idol from scripture. believing it it, calling it Jesus.
     
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    Your confused. According to God's Word anyone can believe God's Word. If they have God's Word because faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. Faith (believing) in God's Word is the start and the end in being born again to walk in newness of life *JOHN 3:3-8; JOHN 3:15-21; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; 1 JOHN 5:4 to change the sin nature into God's nature.

    Hope this helps
     
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    This is an interesting thread. God made us in His image, so we would be intelligent, understand language and be creative. But it was this desire to be more like God which brought about the fall of the human race to have a sinful nature. ". . . For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. . . ." -- Genesis 3:5. ". . . And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: . . ." -- Genesis 3:22.

    Now it is the affect of that knowledge of evil on the human mind which causes our sinful nature. And so our being self willed is not free to be sinless. God made us good and to be self willed beings. But not being infinitely good as God is, the knowledge of evil causes thoughs which lead to sin, and by that knowledge of good we are self condemned (1 John 3:20; Matthew 12:34-36).

    ". . .Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? . . ." -- Romans 6:16.

    We do not have a free will were we do not sin (1 John 1:8-10 - 1 John 2:1).
     
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    We believe in Him due to God Himself drawing us to Jesus, and enabling us to believe!
     
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    We no longer have that real free will Adam had before the Fall!
     
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    “Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,” Luke 24:45 (NASB95)
     
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    Hi 37818, you bring out some good points in this post and it is true that without JESUS we can do nothing at all but sin. The GOOD NEWS of the Gospel (Word of God) is that we have a Savior that can save us from our sins *JOHN 8:31-36. This is conditional on believing God's Word which we can choose to believe or not believe *JOHN 3:15-21. It is the believing in what God says that allows God to work in us to will and to do of His own good pleasure *PHILIPPIANS 2:13; PHILIPPIANS 4:13. We are saved by God's GRACE through faithFAITH (Believing God's Word) and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.

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    Yes even our faith comes from God through His Word *ROMANS 10:17. Thank you for agreeing with me.
     
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    You are turning the gospel into law and grace into works. The good news is that God has saved any who can believe. If you must choose to believe, it is because you don't believe.
     
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    Indeed. We cannot understand God's Word without His Spirit just the same as we cannot walk in the Word so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (sin) *GALATIANS 5:16
     
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    Your post makes no sense and has no truth in it. "Once Saved Always Savaed" is a false Gospel and one that is not biblical and is the first lie proclaimed in the Garden of Eden to EVE *GENESIS 3:1-5 where it was told EVE she can break God's commandments and not surely die. The result here was that Adam and Eve choose to not believe and follow God's Word in order to believe and follow the words of the devil bringing death upon all mankind.
     
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    “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (NASB95)
     
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    Indeed and this is the parable the SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD *LUKE 8:11. The victory that overcomes the world is our faith (believing) in God's Word *1 JOHN 5:4
     
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    Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.


    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” Galatians 5:22 (KJV 1900)
     
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    You have 3 choices.

    1) God alone saves people. = God gets all the glory.

    2) People save themselves with God's help. = you get the glory and split the rest with God.

    3) People save themselves. = you get all the glory.

    Only one is true. And the other 2 present a false gospel and a false Christ.
     
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