Featured Is it idolatry?

Sorry, none of our clergymen are worshipped. We worship God who came to this earth in the form of Jesus Christ.

 

"Jesus took the bread on the table & broke it into pieces for each disciple, calling it His flesh. He poured out drink for each, calling it His blood. Yet. He was before them, in one piece, uninjured"

Well there is going to be a difference between one who prioritize their own senses and one who prioritizes the word of God.

Proverbs 3

5Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.

Can you trust what Jesus say beyond what you see and hear? I have to prioritize the word of God first. He called it his flesh and blood, that is what it is, if my sense proclaimed Reality doesn't "agree", Then it is false first.

All our senses depend on faith/trust. I'm pretty sure everyone can report in life of having heard wrong, saw wrong. Our eyes can lie right to our face. You never actually see anything......you get singals images reported to brain, brain does more work your mind builds the image.



In the image above Blocks A and B are the exact same color. I use this point often with atheist because their prime directive is empirical data.

The claim that even your own Body is actually your body is just as fantastic as God's claim of bread and wine being his body and blood. Your body is a bunch of atoms and molecules, no magical or special ingredient, 20 bucks worth of stuff at Walmart.


Imagine your floating in space with God. He puts down a table called EXISTENCE and REALITY. He puts a rock there, that is YOU, puts another piece that is ME. And it really is, it is on the table, and its the communication between each other.

Now he points a some bread says that it is his body. Then it is. The molecules don't mean anything, they don't either if he points at his own body and says its his body. The table itself, existence and reality does not mean anything. We are now challenged by what reality says vs what God says, again God wins out.

 

Can you name any members of this church between 100 ad to the existence of the catholic church.

Cause you talk like you got a history in mind completely source-less made up and spoon fed by particular folks bias against actual history.

Give us the existence of any legit christian. Give us 5 people.

 

And Mary or any other "saint" you pray to.

 

I believe that it is not something we do that blesses or causes us to be blessed. Yet it is fulfilling a desire of our lord and that is to remember who Shed His blood for us. Genuine Christians love there Lord and Savior. Christ said "do this in remembrance of me" So we do..
MB.

 

I don't recall reading anywhere in scripture that Christ posed for some artist in order that we would have His Image. Any statue or painting of our Lord is not a true representation of our Lord. It can only be imagined. No one really Knows what He looked like so what's the point? I believe the point is so that man wanted something physical to worship. They had the same old problem they found it hard to believe because of a lack of something to focus on.

Faith is about hoping for what we cannot see.
MB

 

Which is Idolatry:















and about that matter of 'kissing' (hope it wasn't from France ...)



According to Islamicists:



According to Romanists:

 

Then by all means show me a holy person or one who lives a holy life. I've never met even one single person who is perfect.

I believe in Jesus Christ I place my trust in Him alone. Sure I go to church as often as I am able. I've been married to the same woman 45 years this month. I have been tempted many times to cheat and have not. Yet in my mind I have to admit that I'm guilty of the lust in my heart. Just because I didn't act on my lust does not mean I'm innocent. For a few moments I wanted to indulge making me a sinner because of coveting. We all sin by thinking and it can happen so fast you can't think fast enough to stop it.

Once when I was still a young man I was determined to not sin. I wanted to be pure of my thoughts and deeds. I made it just long enough to realize I hadn't made it. I found that I was proud of what I thought was an accomplishment of being perfect. If a man were to be perfect he would be a God.

Satan thought he would be perfect and therefore be equal with God. Him being an angle and much stronger than I, didn't make it to perfection but instead because of his pride was cast out of Heaven.

"Plane" the word sounds so esoteric. In what I believe there are levels too there is Heaven or Hell. Earth is not a plane because it is physical.
MB

 

Well that profile pic is that you promoting your worship of neptune?

Accuser Faith.

Oh the Jig is up. Next tell everyone else how they worship the pope by observing sunday worship.

“Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false Sabbath. . . . And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And has she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries” (ibid., 507–8).

Spoken by the infallible prophetess Ellen G white. who's writings are automaticly God DICTATED and holy scripture.



OH your prophetess actual name is 666.....hail satan.




Seventh day adventist holy symbol with upside down crosses and 6's. with bibles set on fire.




Illuminate confirmed!.......

Nope we don't believe any of that junk. we don't rely on numerology. We do not ACCUSE nor have to rely on accusation.

We feel Seventh day Adventist are still brothers and sisters in Christ. We only worship same God, Jesus Christ.

But I feel you, Its a tough thing when you are indoctrinated to hate Catholics. Especially when your own holy prophet commands so.

All I can do is continue to disappoint your expectations till Jesus shows up.

I'll make a deal with you tho. I'll convert if you stop your abortions and killing our children. The end of days threats is nothing. all these terrorist tactics is nothing.... But since you are killing our kids you win. I'll convert if you stop your abortions. Ill leave the catholic church right now. Just stop murdering our children.

 

You must have me mistaken for someone else my profile pic is me not neptune.

 

1 Peter 1

13Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

17If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; 18knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


Deuteronomy 30

11“For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. 12“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 13“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ 14“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.


Matthew 11

28“Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29“Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. 30“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


MB, What you are saying is God cannot be trusted and we should give up.

Who told you, YOU can't be holy? God says its easy. Jesus says learn from me, he can teach you how.

Are you better at being a bad student then Jesus being the best teacher?

The best teacher has only failing students to show for it? I would not be impressed of him as a teacher at all.


The issue here is faith you gotta forgeHt what everyone else around you is saying and listen to, abide only in the word of God.

You are not going to find scripture that says you CAN'T. you might find some that say YOU fail. You are not going to find one that says you can't.

John 11

25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”


Jesus says you never have to die. You might see friends and family dropping dead all around you. Everyone can tell you one day your going to get it and drop dead. Jesus Christ says YOU WILL NEVER TASTE DEATH.


John 8
51“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.”



Its Hard to believe God and Jesus. You have to grab on to him with your heart.

Everyone in the world , even I might tell you YOU CANT DO IT. You need to hold on to GOD, TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST.

Get angry if you have to! FIGHT that evil inside of you. If you going to go down let it be making the "MISTAKE" of trusting GOD!

 

Why are there a lot of pedophiles within the Roman Catholic Church? Why does the RCC is showed in Revelation as "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth"

~~~~~~~Idolatry and depravity of the Gentile religious peoples~~~~~~~

The Word of God reveals why the RCC is full of pedophiles, as follow:

Romans 23:v.21-32

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible MAN(by the way, they are made from the dust of the earth as the idols are done also) , and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men (gays or sodomites)working that which is unseemly,and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the Judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Revelation 19:v.20-21

20 And the Beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him (Revelation 13:v.12-14), with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the Beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both will be cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the Sword (Hebrews 4:v.12) of him that sat upon the horse, which Sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 21:v.8
8 But the fearful(cowards Christians), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

I'm willing to bet all those you named are TOO CATHOLIC. And the hardest part of showing you is they say TOO MUCH CATHOLIC STUFF. I could write a book here.

#1 one way to take a gun to your faith's mouth and shoot is to study early church fathers.

You are better off denouncing them all and calling them all heretics. Which you going to have to do anyways because their obvious catholic beliefs.


Ignatius:

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 --Ignatius of Antioch.


But inasmuch as love suffers me not to be silent in regard to you, I have therefore taken upon me first to exhort you that you would all run together in accordance with the will of God. For even Jesus Christ, our inseparable life, is the manifested will of the Father; as also bishops, settled everywhere to the utmost bounds of the earth, are so by the will of Jesus Christ… Let us be careful, then, not to set ourselves in opposition to the bishop, in order that we may be subject to God. —Letter to the Ephesians, Ch 3,5 --Ignatius of Antioch


Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God… They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 6 --Ignatius of Antioch.

Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it.—Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 -- Ignatius of Antioch.

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

"I have no taste for the food that perishes nor for the pleasures of this life. I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed."

-"Letter to the Romans", paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D.

"Take care, then who belong to God and to Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons."

-Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D.




Irenaeus :

“The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome], they handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus. Paul makes mention of this Linus in the epistle to Timothy [2 Tim. 4:21]. To him succeeded Anencletus, and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was chosen for the episcopate. He had seen the blessed apostles and was acquainted with them. It might be said that he still heard the echoes of the preaching of the apostles and had their traditions before his eyes. And not only he, for there were many still remaining who had been instructed by the apostles. In the time of Clement, no small dissension having arisen among the brethren in Corinth, the Church in Rome sent a very strong letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace and renewing their faith. . . To this Clement, Evaristus succeeded. . . and now, in the twelfth place after the apostles, the lot of the episcopate [of Rome] has fallen to Eleutherus. In this order, and by the teaching of the apostles handed down in the Church, the preaching of the truth has come down to us” (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [inter AD. 180-190]).

“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops qf the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (ibid. 3:3:2).

"The Church, spread throughout the whole world, received this preaching and this faith and now preserves it carefully, dwelling as it were in one house. Having one soul and one heart, the Church holds this faith, preaches and teaches it consistently as though by a single voice. For though there are different languages, there is but one tradition."






Justin Martyr

“For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus” (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).


Clement of Rome

"And our Apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife over the name of the office of bishop. For this cause therefore, having received complete foreknowledge, they appointed the aforesaid persons, and afterwards they have given a law, so that, if these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed to their ministration."


"Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity."

Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices."

Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4]

 

It couldn't be his actual body as he was holding it in his hand. He only had one body.
Nicholas Sheterden accused if heresy, claiming that there as a figure in the bread and wine and not the actual body and blood of Christ as claimed but the prosecuting bishop. Sheterden said there must be a figure in the cup because Jesus did not say the wine was his blood but the cup was his blood.

Of course you burnt him to death.

 

Of course it is. The bread and wine are for us to remember his death and ressurection.