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What verses say that faith is a gift that God gives man?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by George Antonios, Oct 5, 2019.

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  1. Particular

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    Romans 10:17-20 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”
     
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    They come from places other than kindergarden.
    I suggest you pay attention ... you might just learn something.
     
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    Despite the scripture provided, you cannot believe. Got it.
     
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    So, Paul is more powerful than God because Paul makes the decisions.
    Sorry, you are wrong. Let us not belittle God and His Supremacy.
     
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    Strawman. Try again.
     
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    Maybe you'd like to show proof of your opinions. Show scripture that says all these things if you can. Especially about the atonement being only for the particular elect. There is no particular elect because God elects cooperatively. Christ died for the sins of the world That means every soul in the world. If it were just the particular elect then the Bible would say so and it does not.
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    Now do your beloved Ezekiel 36 and the part about God regenerating hearts. Who was that written to?
     
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    Revelation 5:9, Matthew 1:21, John 10:15, Ephesians 1:4, John 6:37-40, Isaiah 53, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Colossians 2:13-14, Hebrews 7:25

    Limited atonement-is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org
     
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    To the elect. To the Israel of God. Paul clarifies to us who Israel is. Remember...not all Israel is Israel.
    Ezekiel 36 has many parts to it, but I suspect you are referring to the New Covenant passage, which is very similar to Jeremiah's comments about the New Covenant and are repeated in Hebrews.
     
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    No no that was the word you used. Unless you have no idea what a strawman is.
     
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    He died for SIN, every sin. The sin of those who reject Him is pardoned too
     
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    No, the passage in Ezekiel 36 is a prophecy written to the House of Israel about the land of Israel.

    The phrase "House of Israel" is used six times.

    26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
    27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
    28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.

    It is impossible to say these verses apply to any Gentiles. It is a stretch to say that these verses refer to God regenerating a person's heart so that they can believe in Jesus.
     
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    If your assertion is correct, then all go to heaven as perfect and spotless children of God. No human need worry. Just keep being exactly what you are. The Bible is just a moral compass...if you want it to be. Otherwise, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die.

    The Bible does not teach what you have just taught.
     
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    Not all Israel is Israel, however. The elect of Israel are a part of the New Covenant. Read the entire chapter since not all were saved.
     
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    Psa 85:2

    Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah
    Mat 12:31

    Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men

    1Jo 2:2
    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
     
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    Three verses used out of context.
    Now, do you really believe that all humans are entirely righteous? If so, then all humans will go to heaven. You have no other option or you make God's atonement ineffective and nullify your own assertion.
     
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    why do you mistake my posts.
    All are sinners that cannot save themselves.
    God paid for all sins yet some reject His gift
     
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    You make sinners greater than God. Why is that?
    If God paid for all sins, then there are no sins left to pay for. All humanity is, by your assertion, perfect in Christ. Nothing can separate any human from God and eternal life.
    But, you claim that human action and rejection of God nullifies Jesus atoning work on the cross. Humans are, in your assertion, greater than God and his death on the cross.
    You have no loophole.
    So, the Bible does not support your assertion. The balance between eternal life with God or eternal suffering in hell is not determined by your acceptance or rejection of God. You don't hold that kind of power and God has not given you that kind of supreme authority.
     
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    Paul Hogan voice, "Now THAT'S a strawman!"
     
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