The Idea Of Free Will

You just said choice is false prove it to be. Just because a man is drawn does not prove The man had nothing to do with it. Christ said no man can come to Him unless drawn. Although it is Christ who draws all men Jn 12:32 yet not all are saved.
MB

 

Just where does scripture say all people groups. I never said individual people. You must be imagining these things because it's not in scripture. I think you imagine a lot because very little of what you say is in scripture
MB

 

John the Baptist was one of God's prophets, who fell under Jeremiah 1:5, as do all of God's children.

Scripture causes no one to believe...God reveals His Son to someone, and they believe ( Matthew 11:27 ).

The Spirit of God does the work, not the will of men.

 

"Calvinists" teach that belief in Christ is a result of God deciding to save someone.

In other words, a person believes because they are saved;
They are not saved because they believe.

They are not "forced" to believe...they naturally believe when God opens their heart, grants them the new birth and reveals their sinful condition to them by His word, and they then recognize that their only hope is Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for them.

In the light of John 1:13 and James 1:18, it's quite true, MB.

" Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." ( James 1:18 )

As for Acts of the Apostles 16:31, that is not hard to explain.
Paul is stating a truth here:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved..." is no less true if God does the choosing, because belief of the Gospel is a necessity per God's word.
Only those that have believed on Christ with the heart, and confessed Him with the mouth ( Romans 10:8-10 ), are ( and will be ) saved from the wrath to come.
No matter how one slices it, belief is a necessary "ingredient" of salvation.

But God's word says that even the privilege to belief on Christ is given to someone:

" For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;" ( Philippians 1:29 ).

So, if it's given to believers to believe, then they believe because they are saved, not to gain salvation.

I'm sure that he cannot...because without faith it is impossible to please God ( Hebrews 11:6 ).
Faith is the evidence of salvation ( Hebrews 11:1 ) and a fruit of the Spirit ( Galatians 5:22 ).

Even John the Baptist, who was filled with the Spirit from his mother's womb, expressed faith in Christ ( John 3:26-36 ).

May God bless you, sir.

 

Essentially, I see the question in the OP as being, "Does the will of men determine who God saves?"

" As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. " ( Romans 9:13-16 )

The answer is, "No".

 

Revelation 5:9.
Revelation 7:9.

 

MB, .

Can you show any Calvinist who believes this? I do not think you can.

 

The will of man is of course bound by sin..Jn1:12,13 is very clear.

 

Why can’t “Calvinists”, “Armenians”, “Particular”, etc. support their beliefs through the Biblical narrative?

Why do they always return to the same tired expository verses and continually rehash them?

 

The only reason folks are against free will is their too ignorant to fit it with predestination.

Now if it was not my free will to write this, then you are not debating me, but debating God himself.

 

It's been supported.
The problem is (apparently ), that the words on the page just aren't looked at closely enough.

Nothing about God's word is "tired", Marty.
It's all precious to those who love Him.

 

I see you debating God and His word all the time, Utilyan.

It saddens me deeply.

 

Free will robs God of his glory in salvation and splits the leftovers with him.

 

Question remains the same and unanswered. Why can’t you use the narrative?

The verses that are always argued over would have to use big font to fill a page. If you can convince someone the 490th time, you might want to use the rest of the Bible.

 

John 20:31
Romans 1:16
Romans 10:17

 

I was responding to the false claim that "scripture causes no one to believe"? Do you agree with that statement as is was written? I would say it is not scripture alone. The HG inspired the word of God and inspired the authors to pen it. In that we can see God's direct hand in it. Further, in Romans 10 we also see that those sent with the word of God are sent because of God. So we see god's direct hand in that.

As to your claim that there has to be another factor because not all believe, I am puzzled by it. I would say that one does not lead to the other. Just because all do not believe does not mean there has to be another factor. I have to say I do not understand the thought process behind it.