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The Idea Of Free Will

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Oct 14, 2019.

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  1. Particular

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    This assumes the people on the ships deserve to be rescued.
    If everyone aboard every ship is a member of ISIS, should they be rescued?
    Second, your scenario sets YOU up as the judge who determines if the coast guard is doing things correctly or not.
    In your case, the Coast Guard is a subservient organization.
    So...your analogy is miserably flawed.
     
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    Hehehehehehehehehe
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    Luther said. God gave Adam Free will. Adam used that free will to sin and we being sons of Adam have free will only to sin.
     
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    If everyone aboard every ship is a member of ISIS, should they be rescued?

    Absolutely! The Perfect expression of Christianity.

    Matthew 5

    43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Romans 5

    10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

    Hebrews 7
    25Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

    Romans 5

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    For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.



    You see how Our example to follow is different from your example?

    God gave the life of his son for those ISIS folks too.


    The entire point and priority of Christianity is LOVE not some gnostic legalism and condemnation of all mankind.

    1 timothy 1

    5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, 7wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.


    You don't care about teaching others to LOVE THEIR ENEMY, Its more important to you to teach the law and legalism that everyone deserves hell, or that God hates unconditionally.

    You represent everything negative and wrong with this world. Your like a parent who is disappointed their toddler cannot use a spoon to eat. So instead of teaching him you scorn in disappointed. A snob would think he's probably not elect anyways.

    Loving your enemies that is BASIC, BASIC Christianity. Turn away from whatever blinds you from teachings of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Oh yes you are the one who called God an idiot.
     
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    This country would save all they could even Isis. I realize That you may think this to be stupid. Yet The Bible teaches us to love our enemies.
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    Oh yes you are the one who believes it.
     
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    God is not required to save any rebel...ever. He is loving by displaying justice and sending them to hell.
    He is also loving if He graciously decides to pardon.
    God gets to choose, utilyan, and your opinion doesn't matter to God. I suggest you step off your throne cause it's an illusion that you have created for yourself.
     
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    We love our enemies and call them to repentance and reconciliation. If there is neither, then we applaud God's justice in lovingly condemning sinners to hell.
    Justice and executing justice is a loving act. It would be unloving to be unjust.
     
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    [Rom 6:16 KJV] 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

    Servants obey their master or pay the consequences. NO free passage!


    [Phl 2:5 KJV] 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    The mind of Christ Jesus is expressed by being obedient to His Father. No by exercising our will in spiritual things - like willing ourselves to be His child..


    [Luk 11:2 KJV] 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

    [Luk 22:42 KJV] 42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

    Mat 7:21 KJV] 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    I have not found one passage that condones the will of a Christian to be exercised. Still looking. If you found any, please share.
     
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