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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Iconoclast, Nov 1, 2019.

  1. MB

    MB Well-Known Member

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    So much bitterness and hatered
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    Iconoclast already gave The Bible understanding of God's Position that you call, "Calvinist", and then hate.

    If I could help people control their crying about such things as The Realities of God, I'd get rich.

    Let me know if Biting your Bible helps and I'll pass that on to others.

    1. He operates immediately upon the heart to prepare the way for the truth. This is evident

    (1.) From the description given of man's spiritual condition.

    (a) As spiritually dead. Eph. 2:1.

    (b) As blind. Eph. 4:18.

    (c) As slaves to sin. John 8:34; Rom. 6:17, 19.

    (d) As needing deliverance from the powers of darkness. Col. 1:13.

    (e) As incapable of knowing or discerning the things of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 4:18.

    (f) As incapable of changing himself. Jer. 13:23.

    (g) As defiled in conscience. Tit. 1:15.

    These passages show man in a condition from which he must be rescued even to understand and appreciate the truth of God.
     
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    I don't really care about a bunch of Calvinism. It goes directly against the truth. I feel sorry for those who reject the truth. I don't hate Calvinist, It's obvious that you hate everyone who opposes your heretical doctrine This alone shows just who you are with no love for your neighbor..I tell people why I don't accept Calvinism because I really do care about calvinist. You on the other hand hate me because I express the truth and you'd like to shut me up but you can't .
    You can go ahead and believe nonsense if that's your thing. But as for me and mine we will serve the Lord..
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    I have a question, then.

    Why do you call, "The Bible", and it's verses, "Calvinist"?
     
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    n.
    I do not this is in your imagination. After your absurd comments you've made about me I quit reading them past where you addressed me. What makes you think I would enjoy your nasty comments. Telling me I'm not saved, telling me to bite the Bible, Your demeaning writings aren't worth it. You're out of control of your self and it does not impress me at all. Especially as someone I would want to have a conversation with.
    Your on my ignore list. Don't bother to answer because I won't read your comments any longer. Have a nice life.
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    Read Romans 5:1-2. Scripture, not me, says we access the grace we stand in by faith.

    Not at issue. God allows those who He does not harden.

    Ephesians 1:4-5 does not say anyone was given to Christ. John 6:37 is the verse we agree on.

    Nothing we do allows God to take action. If God says whoever believes into Him will have eternal life, our faith or lack of faith is consistent with God's redemptive plan for believers.

    We appear to agree, individuals who are "of My sheep" comprise the fields white for harvest. They are open to the gospel message.
     
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    Not at issue, Matthew 13, soil #1 was not open.

    Nonsense

    The word your version translate as "ordained" means to agree by mutual consent. None of the avanlance of citations support your view, not one.

    Irresistible grace is fiction.

    Fiction, Ephesians 1:4 says God chose us in Him not "to be in Him." No need to rewrite scripture, God chose His Redeemer, and therefore chose corporately those His Redeemer would redeem.

    You may be right, I go by what the verse says.

    Making a general claim without a specific quote is deflection.
     
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    This bulletin board defines Calvinism not as what John Calvin wrote, but what the TULIP proclaims. You show a lack of understanding of the words on the written "screen."

    Your trust in Calvinism (aka TULIP) is misplaced.
     
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    Yet another off topic post addressing the poster and not the topic.
     
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