If anyone care about facts.

Sigh......Dr. Flowers would not condone the language used in snip the op. Such language is divisive and an example of why things get so heated around here. Furthermore, it is not necessary.

 

I get that you're venting, but probably try not to be so provocative? I'm Calvinist because of my understanding of God's sovereignty. And, it doesn't seem reasonable to me that anyone's salvation is left up to human frailty. Why should my neighbor be lost because I didn't do a good enough job ministering to him?

 

Jesus and the Apostles were Particular Baptists. Everyone knows this...

 

The Spirit if my Lord and Savior has given me peace in my heart. I sincerely desire that you experience that same kind of peace.

I can disagree with folks about all kinds of things and still desire they experience peace.

Peace to you

 

Welcome to the world of the Church fathers. I'm afraid I haven't watched your video. It's nearly an hour long and I have a life. Sorry!
It's actually pretty well known that Augustine wrote some dire stuff. From a Baptist pov he was the guy who most firmly established infant 'baptism' within the Church.
But as a 'Calvinist,' it matters not a jot nor tittle to me whether Augustine believed in sovereign grace. All that matters is that the Bible teaches it, which of course it does.

 

If you respond to this immaturity it will only encourage more of it.

 

First of all, calling someone a “heretic” that disagrees with you does not qualify as intelligent debate.

Thanks for the conversation.

Peace to you

 

There is no intelligent response to that video.

 

My view of the video:

The question is asked, is it a coincidence that the Manicheans, the Gnostics which upon Augustine formed his doctrines, used all the same scriptures that are used by Calvinist today to swing away from Free Will into a Manicheanistic Gnostic/Stoic’ view of Determinism to support the doctrines which Augustine introduced?

BTW, this is not new information, what Dr. Flowers is examining. Did any of the church fathers teach Determinism before Augustine introduced it? NO. For 400 years there was no conflict between human Free Will and Divine Sovereignty, until Augustine. The video in the Op is merely presenting a more in-depth look at the roots of Calvinism through Dr. Ken Wilson studies on the subject leading back to its origins which are clearly Gnostic and were and are considered heretical.

 

This is such a fruitless thread. The issue of what Augustine believed is irrelevant to what the Bible teaches.
What the Bible teaches is that God chooses, elects and predestined sinners unto redemption. I'm satisfied with what God teaches.

 

I'll simply respond to the title...

No, he wasn't.
He was one in a long line of people who came into the church as its doctrines were in the process of going south.
Instead of "Sovereign Grace" being taught along with believer's baptism and other things, many doctrinal teachings had already gone off track.

From my perspective, the real church had gone underground after the first century, and what remained in the places Paul had originally preached the Gospel in and the Lord had formed churches at, was no more than a spiritually dead shell of what had started.

In other words, it had become a mix of believers and unbelievers, error and truth.
Mostly unbelievers, I'm thinking.