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Pope calls idea of declaring Mary co-redemptrix ‘foolishness’

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Revmitchell, Dec 14, 2019.

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  1. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    Like the Immaculate Conception... Was Mary Sinless?
     
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    Oh, you mean the Immaculate Deception ?
     
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    Scripture never teaches this. If it did we would not be debating. Give me the verse. If I don't see a bible verse next response that plainly spells out this FALSE teaching of yours, then we both know it is a LIE.
     
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    You like him--are you neo-Calvin?
     
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    No, just tired of the ridiculous characterizations of Mohler from you people.
     
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    I don't care if you like him but I think that he is just another intellectual gone sour. From you people? I thought that the Dems said that we couldn't use that phrase anymore. In Mohler's case, birds of a feather flock together. I don't think that he speaks kindness to anyone. Do you think that Mohler is a kind person?
     
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    Again...please show us another source of intel about God besides Scripture.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    The Church.
     
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    Which gets its direction from?
     
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    God. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church. This is ALSO reported in scripture.
     
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    And HOW do they get this direction?
     
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    Very good post.
     
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    2 Timothy 2

    2The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.


    1 Timothy 3
    15but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

    2 Corinthians 3
    3being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    4Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    The Church is the pillar and ground of truth. The Christian is made adequate by God. NOT WITH INK, but the spirit of GOD.
    Long before the bible existed There is the Church.



    2 Timothy 3

    16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.


    Scripture is God breathed and it is PROFITABLE. PROFITABLE = HELPS.
    A bike is PROFITABLE for going home. That does not mean you are forbidden from taking a Car.

    Notice it doesn't say Scripture is REQUIRED nor does it state Scripture IS the teaching.

    Look at the exchange between us. I'm giving you scripture. You have yet to provide one verse. You only provide your own philosophy reasoning.
     
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    Notice all of that is saying we get it from SCRIPTURE.
     
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    You only accept Scripture as a basis for argument... therefore, he is providing Scriptural evidence of the Church being the pillar and foundation of Truth. The Scripture also declares that it is NOT the sole basis for Truth. As he has also mentioned. He can support his argument through the qualifications you have set forth. You can't even support your own argument on your own qualifications (Sola Scriptura).
     
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    He provided no such evidence.

    Where? That also has not been shown.
     
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    No. The church was always around. It gets reported in scripture.

    For example Paul knows the church is the pillar and ground of truth so he wrote it down. A bible did not fall out the sky for Paul to make this up.

    A book did not fall out the sky then a group of people got together and say hey lets pretend to be the group in the book.

    Scripture is the news. The good news and the church is real.

    You still have not provided one verse to support your claim.


    Its like saying "ONLY sentences that are three words long are true the rest are false"

    Your teaching is false even self refuting. UNBIBLICAL

    Biblical means not believing lies like Sola Scriptura.
     
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    Don't be deliberately obtuse... he quoted the verses that support these truths completely.
     
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    Can we ban the anti-Bible Catholics now? @Squire Robertsson
    No, he gave the verses and then expect us to accept the RCC commentary on those verses.
     
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