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What does Pelosi want?

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  1. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    Nancy Pelosi Is Demanding Information From The Senate Before Sending Over Articles Of Impeachment

    In summary:

    We are not sure what crimes it is that you have committed so we are requiring that you under penalty of obstruction tell us what those crimes are along with a list of witnesses.

    We need this information before 1/1/2020.

    If we do not receive this information by 1/1/2020 then the charge will be obstruction of congress for not releasing said information.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...mpeachment-articles-senate-donald-trump-trial
     
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    She is publicly melting down
     
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  3. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    um, yes this is tongue-in-cheek somewhat :)
     
    #3 HankD, Dec 25, 2019
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    #4 kyredneck, Dec 25, 2019
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    I’m no expert in legal matters but it seems to me that once a person is charged and a verdict is made, decisions relying on any additional evidence should be presented to another jury (in this case, the Senate).

    By concluding the impeachment, the House decided that they had all the evidence they needed.

    Rob
     
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    This whole thing baffles me. I can't see what strategic goals they're working to accomplish.
     
    #6 Rob_BW, Dec 25, 2019
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    I'm no legal expert either but what ever happened to "double jeopardy" along with the "statute of limitations" or have they slipped through the cracks like all Trumps other rights as a citizen?
     
    #7 HankD, Dec 25, 2019
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    No such thing as double jeopardy with regard to impeachment.
     
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    First, what the House did is the functional equivalent of an indictment. The case hasn't gone to trial in the Senate yet. As for what the Speaker thought would happen. I think she thought the Senate Republicans would dance to her tune as they did under Obama.
     
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  10. HankD

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    are you sure? just because the globalists say so doesn't make it true.
     
    #10 HankD, Dec 25, 2019
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    This is strictly a political event. Dems (execpt 3 or 4) voted for impeachment - No R's voted yes
    When it gets to the Senate - you need 66 % to convict. AS the R's have the majority - there
    is no way that Trump will be found guility.

    Same thing happend back in in '97 (or thereabouts) when Clinton was impeached and the Senate with a majority of Dems - did not convict.
     
    #11 Salty, Dec 26, 2019
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    Pelosi is still trying to mitigate the coming damages to her party. she knows they'll face a voter backlash over spending all that money on a project they knew beforehand will never pass the Senate.

    Now, Clinton's case wasn't a sure bet beforehand. After all, he'd been CAUGHT LYING to Congress about Monica & Paula Jones, so he'd committed a CRIME. However, the Senate didn't consider it heinous enough to remove him from office.

    And Pelosi might think that, by calling witnesses, some Senators might actually be persuaded to change their vote. (Almost all of them already know how they'll vote, & won't change, even if trump does something else the Dems don't like. That'd take a whole new impeachment before it could be considered.)

    The voter backlash against the GOP over Clinton was large; the one over Trump will be HUGE.
     
    #12 robycop3, Dec 26, 2019
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    judging by social factors like decline of religion, dissolution of the nuclear family the left rate of growth is outpacing the conservative.

    so, unless there is some kind of intervention AOC will win the presidency 2024 or 2028 by sheer numbers.

    i believe the global elitists are coming to grips with that social dynamic.

    yes the global elitists also look down upon the run-of-the-mill Democrat - they just don't let their disgust for the stinking sheep on the left be known.
     
    #13 HankD, Dec 26, 2019
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    They want to run the impeachment trial the same way colleges ran campus “trials” for hate thought/speech. They are terrified of due process and the rights of those accused of wrongdoing.

    Peace to you
     
    #14 canadyjd, Dec 26, 2019
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    Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding.
     
    #15 Reformed1689, Dec 26, 2019
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    Well it’s a political proceeding dressed in judicial clothing.

    Rob
     
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    Correct
     
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    And, it has rules of law & procedure that must be followed.
     
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    “Must be followed”???? As far as procedures go, both houses can do what they want with majority vote. They both can make it up as they go.

    Peace to you
     
    #19 canadyjd, Dec 26, 2019
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    What does Pelosi want? It seems nothing less than total control of both houses of Congress. The gall of this woman to think that she can tell the Republican led Senate how they should conduct their part of the impeachment process.
     
    #20 Adonia, Dec 26, 2019
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