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The Significance of 144,000

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Protestant, Oct 31, 2019.

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  1. Oseas3

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    The abomination of desolation has nothing to do with set up of sacrifice, on the contrary, daily sacrifice is taken out with establishing the abomination of desolation.

    You are a storyteller, not a preacher of the Word of God. At the times of the end, Satan will use deceit to win followers from those who are unfaithful to God, apostate people as you that believe in devilish teachings of demons, as we can see throught your posts here in this site. But those who remain faithful will do everything possible to oppose Satan though he will take his anger with the God’s faithful people.

    I have no any fear telling unto you that you are a disciple of the Devil, and not of JESUS. What you have written has nothing to do with the Word of God, and with the Spirit of God, and with the source of Truth, but with the spirit of Devil and with his messengers, the preachers of lies, counterfeiter of God's Word, which will now be thrown into the lake of fire with their beliefs, with their falsehoods, and all their other demonic activities.
     
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    You do have to wonder why they don't want our Lord to return and rule for a thousand years while Satan is bound, unable to steal, kill, and destroy during that wonderful thousand years.
     
  3. David Kent

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    I take the view that the witnesses were the church witnessing in the dark ages of tribulation under the Roman Church. Prophecying in sackcloth symbolic of mourning for those who were killed in that holocaust during those times. The death of the witnesses is when they were practically wiped out, the Hussites were exterminated, the Waldensians forced go attend mass at least once a year, and at the papal council being held at that time it was announced that the 'heretics' were no more. The delegates exchanged gifts to celebrate. The Pope gave the king of Spain a golden egg. That was three and a half years, that is three and a half prophetic days before the reformation.

    The Reformation was the revival of the witnesses, After the reformation the pope said "The witnesses have come alive in Luther. There were still a few Lollards in England, but they were always in hiding. John Brown of Ashford was burnt at the stake by the side of the river Stour which runs just a 100 yards or so from here. There is a Martyrs Memorial in town which is supposed to be the place of exectution, but a booklet I have says the actual place is not known. John Brown had his feet burnt to the bone on hot coals, then forced to walk to the place of execution.
     
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    My bad, sacrifice should not have been there.

    I should have said, and I think that is what I wrote originally.
    • The 1290 days were fulfilled during the Jewish-Roman war when the period between the abomination of desolattion being set up (The Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem) and the day the sacrifice ceasing was exactly 1290 days as recorded by Josephus.
     
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    I take the view that the witnesse were the church witnessing in the dark ages of tribulation under the Roman Church. Prophecying in sackcloth symbolic of mourning for those who were killed in that holocaust during those times. The death of the witnesses is when they were practically wiped out, the Hussites were exterminated, the Waldensians forced go attend mass at least once a year, and at the papal council being held at that time it was announced that the 'heretics' were no more. The delegates exchanged gifts to celebrate. The Pope gave the king of spainn a golden egg. That was three and a half years before the reformation.

    The Reformation was the revival of the witnesses, After the feformation the pope said "The witnesses have come alive in Luther. There were still a few Lollards in England, but the were always in hiding. John Brown of Ashford was burnt at the stake by the side of the river Sstour which runs just a 100 yards or so from here.
     
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    O yes, what you think and write is original, originally from Satan. I see that you insist in work and fighting for the kingdom of Devil, not of God's Kingdom. You are already trapped by the spirit of lies, the spirit of the devil, you only believe in the devil and only feed on what he gives you to eat and you regurgitate it here on this site.

    As a messenger of the Devil that you are, you are part of Satan's body and spiritually you are positioned exactly on the Serpent's TAIL.

    I know thee by the lying spirit, by the spirit of demon that dwells within you and it is he who speaks through your mouth. So, you are lost. Revelation 21:v.8

    Revelation 16:v.13-15

    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon - red Dragon -, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

    14 For they are the spirits of devils ... which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great Day of God Almighty. - the Lord's Day -

    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
     
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    What I wrote is history

    I have never reported a post on any board, but I was close to reporting you post above.
     
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    Revelation 11: The Two Witnesses - Part 16

    William of St. Amour Denounces the Mendicant Friars, AD 1256

    [N.B. How often we have heard Roman Catholic apologists claim their Church is unified while the Protestants have numerous sectarian denominations. Major schisms in the Roman Church throughout its history are provable facts which their apologists would rather conceal. (Not to mention their ever-increasing religious orders of men and women, all having their own specific vows and rules by which they are to conduct themselves.) A quick perusal of comments on Breitbart’s articles concerning the Pope & Roman Church will reveal the animosity of professing Catholics toward the current papal officeholder and his Church. So much for ‘unity.’

    William of St. Amour, held a position of prominence as Master of Theology at the acclaimed University of Paris in the mid-13th century. Numerous websites, secular and religious, contain easily accessible abbreviated biographies. The treatise in question, De periculis novissimorum temporum – On the Dangers of the Last Days – is now available online in English translation. This is the translation by Jonathan Robinson utilized.

    The title is taken from the Latin Vulgate, 2 Timothy 3:1, which is translated by the Douay-Rheims as Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. Particularly fascinating is the author’s use of verse 6 - For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires. Anyone with a modicum of knowledge pertaining to priests’ assaults on children understand that such assaults are frequently made within the parents’ home, having befriended them, engendering their trust.

    Although concerted efforts were made to suppress the treatise through burning and banning, along with the excommunication and exile of its author, this work still remained in the hands of those who protested the fraternal orders, as well as the Church who authorized them. William viewed the friars as forerunners of Antichrist. To that end he used all pertinent Scriptures delineating end times to prove that very point.]

    5 how the aforesaid dangerous men will cunningly proceed in introducing the dangers

    Concerning the fifth [chapter], namely how those seducers will go about cunningly to introduce the mentioned dangers, the Apostle warns of, saying consequently that although they would not have the cura, or the direction of souls entrusted to them, they would none the less cunningly sneak into the homes of individuals under their own authority, searching out everybody's personal affairs( proprietates) or secrets. But, it is agreed, this could not happen if they did not impose themselves [on others] in order to hear their confessions. Yet when they will have sought out men's secrets and properties through their confessions (or some other way), then they will first seduce the women with deceitful and cunning words; afterwards they will seduce their men through them, just as the Devil first seduced Eve, and Adam through her.

    “Besides the women, they will also seduce the men, whom they find capable of being seduced (seductibiles) after the fashion (ad modum) of the women. They will seduce them so much—that is, to themselves, or lead them to their own counsels—that they will render them unto their own power as if they were captives. In other words, ensuring, by binding them (ad stringendo) through either oaths or vows………..And the Apostle says this in these words: Amongst these are they who penetrate homes and lead away captive the women burdened with sins; according to which the Gloss [i.e. Glossa Ordinaria] explains, if his words are well pondered, in this way: `They penetrate homes, literally, they enter the homes of seducible women and men and pry into everybody's private affairs; and lead captive, that is, seduce the women first, and after them their men, just like the Devil first seduced Eve, and Adam through her.' Similarly, the Gloss [on] lead the women captive, `that is, seduce seducible men like the women', that is, lead them from the counsels of their prelates to their own counsels. For this word `to seduce' is thus explained in Revelation 20, Satan shall be loosed, and seduce the nations: the Gloss, `that is, lead them away from Christ to themselves'.

    “Similarly, the consciences of the faithful of Christ is their home. Ecclesiasticus 32: Run first into your home—the Gloss: `that is, into the home of your conscience'. A stranger should not be received into this home. Ecclesiasticus 11: Do not receive every man into your home, for many are insidious or deceitful. And below, in the same chapter: Admit the stranger to yourself, and he will overturn you in a whirlwind, and he will alienate you from your own…..”

    [N.B. It is well documented how the confessional is a gateway to the inner thoughts and secrets of the confessor, allowing the priest means to exploit the weaknesses divulged.]

    NEXT: The witness of Czech Reformers.
     
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    Some years ago French lady and her 2 children came to stay with us. On the Sunday, the 2 children came wih us to the Gopel Mission we attended at the time, while the mother went to the nearby Catholic Church. Part way through our service the mother turned up at our church. She said the Catholic Church was so old fashioned compared to her church in France.
    In the same town there was later a 'Reformed Catholic Church' meeting in a former public house.
     
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    There will be a meteor shower tonight. Is that a sign?
     
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    Revelation 11: The Two Witnesses - Part 17

    Jan Hus, Czech Reformer, burned alive, AD 1415

    Among his core beliefs were many identical to that of John Wickliffe:

    · PREACHED THE POPE IS ANTICHRIST WHO WEARS THE CLOAK OF GODLINESS TO HIDE HIS BEASTLINESS

    · THE ROMAN HIERARCHY IS THE GREAT BLASPHEMING HARLOT AND SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN

    · TAUGHT THE TRUE CHURCH COMPRISED ONLY THE PREDESTINATED ELECT

    · No OTHER HEAD OF THE CHURCH BUT CHRIST - No OTHER ROCK

    · TRUE PRIESTS REFLECT A HOLY AND PURE LIFE - KNOWN BY THEIR FRUIT

    · BONIFACE VIII. ONE OF SEVERAL WICKED POPES

    · BIBLES SHOULD BE TRANSLATED AND DISTRIBUTED TO THE PEOPLE

    · THE BIBLE THE SOLE RULE OF FAITH AND AUTHORITY

    · DETESTED IMAGE AND RELIC WORSHIP, INDULGENCES

    · EXPOSED SIMONY OF CLERGY

    · NO PRIEST ABSOLVES SIN

    · THE POPES HAD NO AUTHORITY TO CALL CRUSADES

    (Source: Leff, Heresy in the Later Middle Ages, pp. 606 ff.)

    MEMORABLE QUOTES BY HUS

    "Priests shamefully squander pay for requiem masses in fornication, in adorning their concubines, priestesses, or prostitutes more sumptuously than the church altars and pictures, purchasing for them skirts, capes, and fur coats from their tithes and offerings of the poor"(Leff, p. 608).

    "If the Pope is wicked, and especially if he is foreknown to damnation [which he is!], then he is a devil like Judas the Apostle, a thief and a son of perdition, and is not the head of the holy church militant since he is not even a member of it. (This is article 20 of Hus' articles condemned at Constance.)

    "God is my witness that I have never taught or preached the errors of which my false witnesses accuse me. My main purpose which I have always pursued in my preaching and all my acts and writings has been to root out sin. In this truth of the gospel, which I have taught by pen and word, I gladly die."(Leff, p. 653).

    Jan Hus had devised four signs by which one could discern an erring Pope:

    1- He will prefer man-made laws of God's law.

    2- He will love the world and the things of the world.

    3- He will engage in the sale of benefices.

    4- He will come against the dissemination of God's Word.

    The pope who consistently practices these evils, he says, is Antichrist, the abomination of desolation (Leff, p. 669).

    22 Hussite Doctrines Condemned as Heresy, AD 1418

    1. The Roman Church is not the one universal church founded by Christ.

    2. The Roman Church became corrupted from the time of the Emperor Constantine.

    3. Spiritual persons should not possess temporal goods.

    4. The church does not include evil people but only the good.

    5. Denial of the church's power of the keys and of binding and loosing.

    6. Rejection of holy orders.

    7. Denial that only priests may consecrate the Eucharist.

    8. Opposition to the constitutions of the church and the holy canons.

    9. Because of the sins of prelates and priests, their ministration is worthless.

    10. Evil prelates have no power to excommunicate.

    11. The church cannot excommunicate the good, and unless sin excommunicate a man, the church's excommunication is nothing.

    12. The prelates of the church should not excommunicate, persecute, or shun the evil, but should commit punishment to God alone.

    13. It is not licit in the church of God to kill heretics physically and to remove the evil from amongst the good.

    14. The miracles performed in the church are not of God.

    15. Rejection of indulgences and assertion that offerings given for them are venal.

    16. Opposition to material churches and their dedications.

    17. Approved destruction of images of Christ and the saints in the church.

    18. Denial that Purgatory exists and that suffrages for the dead are of any use.

    19. Confession should not be made to priests but only to God.

    20. The bread and wine remain in the Eucharist after consecration.

    21. Communion to be given to newly born children.

    22. Communion to be given to the laity in both kinds.

    (Source: Transactions of the American Philosophical Society, vol. 55, Part 1, p. 27.)

    NEXT: Rev. 11:8 examined.
     
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