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Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact..?

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by KeyserSoze, Jan 8, 2020.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Science doesnt show. Science is the conducting of experiments and the results are interpreted by those who conducted the experiments. The results are only an interpretation.
     
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    And here, you're pulling more creationist nonsense from your own rectum.
    Geological dating is quite consistent. Its NOT "all over the map".
    You'd know this if you read actual GEOLOGY reports rather than parroting drivel from creationist websites
     
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    There is NO "science" that disproves what im saying here. THATS THE POINT..
    The ONLY objections to the theory are RELIGIOUS.. NOT Scientific
     
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    Everyone looks at the same evidence. How that evidence is interpreted is where the difference comes in. It is a fallacy that only creationists have a bias. Evolutionists do as well.
     
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    Okay, since you won't answer the question, I'll assume a "no". Why? Because a Christian would never had ignored that question once, much less than more than twice.

    Even an atheist should be aware that there are three different kinds of knowledge - philosophy, science, and mathematics. science is observation of a material fact, evidence, and empirical evidence of the fact and a explanation of the fact with evidence that constitutes theories. Science provides material evidence, not proof. So I can answer your question, it's a theory.
     
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    So you think that science can disprove religion but religion cannot disprove science?
     
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    You're missing the point.. To people centuries ago, the "inerrant" word of God was a fixed earth that didn't move.
    Today however, YOU no longer accept that old interpretation.
    Someone has CHANGED that original interpretation of the (supposedly) "inerrant"
    passage.
    So what happened..? They looked at the evidence, determined that their interpretation of those passages had to be wrong, (since the sun is the center of the solar system) and changed the error in their interpretation..
    Which is why today, you dont adhere to geocentrism..
    Well, Same thing can apply to evolution..
     
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    A claim was made that "i'm ignoring SCIENCE" that proves evolution wrong.
    I simply stated fact.. There is no "science" that proves evolution wrong.
    If you know of some, by all means present it here, and we'll discuss it.
     
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    Its not so much that "science can disprove religion" and more along the lines of "science can disprove certain testable claims made by religion.
    By contrast, How is religion going to disprove anything in science...?
    What would be the basis on which the science was disproved other than claims of appeal to authority..?
     
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    Thats true, it has nothing to do with how many people "believe it". It has to do with what the EVIDENCE shows.
    Thats why if i pull DNA data from The International Genome Consortium, they will lay out all of the DATA that shows common ancestry.
    If i go to the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology, they will lay out all the DATA and patterns in the fossil record which lead them to only one conclusion.. Evolution
    The list goes on..
    At the end of the day, evolution is an overarching concept that uses data from a wide variety of scientific fields.
    All of which seem to state clearly that the DATA points only to evolution..
    Which is why its accepted as correct
     
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    Their conclusion is only an interpretation
     
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    The problem here is that at the end of the day, the interpretation HAS to match the evidence.
    You cannot simply offer up another scenario because you dont like the consensus interpretation
    For example take the DNA evidence for common ancestry.
    We humans DO share all the same genetic markers in our genes that chimpanzees do, just as evolution predicts we must if common ancestry is correct.
    Now, why is this..?
    How did chimps obtain our mutations..? How did Chimps obtain our genetic viral stowaways..?
    Evolution not only explains it.. It PREDICTED IT..
    Now, What other scientific mechanism besides inheritance is available as an explanation..?
     
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    You seem to desire to operate on the basis that "all interpretations are equally valid"..
    Creationist websites are notorious for spreading this claim..
    You'll regularly see "Well, we're all looking at the same evidence.. its just the interpretation that's different"
    But reality is quite different from what these people actually "claim".
    If their interpretation flies in direct contradiction to the evidence at hand (which most of it does) then its not really an "interpretation of the evidence", and more of an "interpretation in spite of the evidence"..
    Which is why they get routinely scolded by the scientific community.
     
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    Where's the scientific evidence that probes evolution right? Blah blah blah, DNA. smashed fossils, bones found within a mile of each other, all that does is prove a common ancestor as you say, Well, you're right about that one.

    Q
     
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    I don't think you understand the inerrant word of God vs interpretation.
    Actually that is fundamentally different.

    How do you test creation?
     
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    Don't forget that time on Nova when they took a hacksaw to the bones to make them fit with each other!!! :rolleyes:
     
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    No no, the conclusion is the interpretation of the evidence. Interpretations are always subject to bias.
     
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    I am curious. Do you believe in an eternal self-existent God, a God who came out of the Big Bang, no God at all, or perhaps something else?

    Thanks.
     
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    Since Jesus is God, is not his view on Genesis FAR more emportant than yours or mine?
     
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    The Bible itself claims to be infallible and trustworthy in all things that it deals with, so would be the truth even in science as regarding origins!
     
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