1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Featured What Is "Literal"?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Logos1560

    Logos1560 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2004
    Messages:
    6,204
    Likes Received:
    405
    Faith:
    Baptist
    In his book Bible: The Story of the King James Version, Gordon Campbell wrote: "The translation, however, aspires to literal accuracy rather than majesty, and on occasion leaves the job of translation half-done. Here is a verse in which the Hebrew is translated word for word, but the translation is stylishly incomprehensible" (p. 81).

    After quoting Isaiah 37:36 in the KJV, Campbell commented: "The notion that the Assyrians got up in the morning before noticing that they were dead is exceedingly unhelpful" (p. 81).
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  2. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Kjv best point is how it sounds/read, its way it states the King's English, not in its accuracy overall!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    How true! Yet some here espouse this myth nevertheless.
     
  4. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    A sobering reminder.
     
  5. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Acts 15:7 is the passage in question, and even N.T.Wright's "The Kingdom New Testament has the word 'brothers' here.
     
  6. Jerome

    Jerome Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    9,788
    Likes Received:
    698
    Faith:
    Baptist
  7. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,557
    Likes Received:
    625
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Literal is an unfortunate word to use in regards ti the trustworthiness of Scripture

    The Bible uses all types of linguistics to get across the Bible Message ie Metaphors etc

    Do we really believe that Jesus is a door and a vine? Yes it is true in one sense in that it conveys that Jesus is the way of salvation but He is not literally a door or a vine. These are the 2 easiest ways to convey what I mean herr
     
  8. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Formal is still the preferred translation method!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Can use the term formal instead, still the truth remains the same!
     
  10. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Literal to me just means formal method of translation, as preferred to more dynamic!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Just_Ahead

    Just_Ahead Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2018
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    153
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I really do not know if the following fits this thread,
    but here is something I pulled from LEXICO,
    an Oxford Dictionary/Thesaurus website.

    *****

    Synonyms and Antonyms of "literal" in English

    1: ‘those who believe in the literal truth of the biblical Genesis’

    SYNONYMS
    strict, factual, plain, simple, bare, exact, straightforward, stark
    unvarnished, unexaggerated, unembellished, undistorted, unadulterated
    objective, narrow, correct, true, truthful, faithful, accurate, genuine, authentic, veritable, veracious, gospel

    ANTONYMS
    metaphorical, figurative, loose, approximate

    2: ‘a literal translation’

    SYNONYMS
    word-for-word, verbatim, line-for-line, letter-for-letter
    exact, precise, faithful, close, strict, to the letter, undeviating, true, accurate
    rare literatim

    ANTONYMS
    loose, liberal, vague

    *****
     
    #71 Just_Ahead, Jan 15, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2020
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  12. Marooncat79

    Marooncat79 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2014
    Messages:
    3,557
    Likes Received:
    625
    Faith:
    Baptist

    Agree but remember that there are people who would use that term as a trap to try and make us look stupid
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  13. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    It has its positives and negatives as does functional equivalence. That's why mediating is the best of both worlds.
     
  14. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So you support the Nkjv for "optimal equivalence?"
     
  15. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    agreed, but we must do our best to make sure that literal is not used in a "wooden" way, but as just meaning the plan intending meaning of the scriptures!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Rippon2

    Rippon2 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,119
    Likes Received:
    177
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The word 'so' as you are using it means consequently. But the subject you are bringing up has nothing to do with anything
    I was speaking about.
     
  17. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    52,624
    Likes Received:
    2,742
    Faith:
    Baptist
    You stated both formal and dynamic gives problems, so why that leave available just that optimal option?
     
    • Like Like x 1
Loading...