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Featured Is the Pope as he claims “God on Earth”.

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  1. Particular

    Particular Well-Known Member

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    Did he claim to be God speaking on Earth?

    Many evil decisions are made in war. The US bombing of Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima come to mind. Was Truman God speaking on Earth?

    The fact is you are deflecting from the topic, which has written evidence that the pope and his underlings viewed themselves as God speaking on Earth. A pantheon of God with authority to rule over all.
     
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    I think the actual term used in RCC would be the "Vicar of Christ", so that the Pope would be seen as being basically delegated authority to speak and act on behalf of Jesus!
     
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    The Pontifex Maximus

    Having determined then that the Roman Catholic doctrine of papal authority and Roman primacy did not originate with Jesus Christ we must turn to our secondary question: where, then, did the RCC get this teaching?

    Unlike the search for Scriptural origins for the doctrine of papal authority and Roman primacy the search for non-Biblical origins of this teaching are readily available from the imperial court of the Roman Empire. Both the title and structure of the Roman Catholic Church are directly derived from the title and structure of the Roman imperial cult.

    One of the names that is often used to refer to the Roman Catholic pope is the title Pontiff.

    "Pope - The Annuario Pontificio (official directory of the Holy See) describes the office of the pope by the following titles: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiffof the Western Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Province of Rome, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City. The title pope or papa (abbreviated PP.) is officially used only as a less solemn style." - Britannica.com

    "Roman Catholicism - The multiplicity and variety of papal titles themselves indicate the complexity of the papal office. In the Annuario Pontificio, the official Vatican directory, the pope is described as bishop of Rome, vicar of Jesus Christ, successor of the prince of the Apostles, pontifex maximus ('supreme pontiff') of the universal church, patriarch of the West, primate of Italy, archbishop and metropolitan of the Roman province, sovereign of the state of Vatican City, and servant of the servants of God." - Britannica.com

    "Pontifex - The title pontifex was used of Roman Catholic bishops and pontifex maximus of the pope by the end of the 4th century. In modern usage, both terms generally refer to the pope." - Britannica.com

    Though the common term "pope" is used as a less official reference, the term Supreme Pontiff is an official designation. This term is used in various forms to refer to the pope as well as things related to this office including: the Pontifex Maximus, pontificate, pontifical, Annurio Pontificio (the official Vatican directory), etc. And while the term pope was not used to refer to the bishop of Rome until the 10th century, the term pontifex maximus is a title of much earlier origination.

    The title and concept for the Roman papal office comes directly from the pontifex maximus, originally employed to refer to the high priest of the Roman paganism. Likewise, the Roman Catholic college of bishops, which rule together with the pope, but in subordination to him, and from which the popes are elected, is also directly taken from Roman paganism.

    "Pontifex - (Latin: "bridge builder"), plural Pontifices, member of a council of priests in ancient Rome. The college, or collegium, of the pontifices was the most important Roman priesthood, being especially charged with the administration of the jus divinum (i.e., that part of the civil law that regulated the relations of the community with the deities recognized by the state), together with a general superintendence of the worship of gens and family." - Britannica.com

    "Pontifex - The college existed under the monarchy, when its members were probably three in number; they may be considered as having been legal advisers of the rex in all matters of religion. Under the republic they emerge into prominence under a pontifex maximus, or supreme priest, who took over the king's duties as chief administrator of religious law. During the republican period the number of pontifices increased until by the time of Julius Caesar there were 16. Included in the collegium were also the rex sacrorum, the flamines, three assistant pontifices (minores), and the Vestal Virgins, who were all chosen by the pontifex maximus. Vacancies in the body of pontifices were originally filled by co-optation; but from the second Punic War onward the pontifex maximus was chosen by a peculiar form of popular election, and in the last age of the republic this was true for all the members. They all held office for life." - Britannica.com

    "Pontifex - The immense authority of the collegium centred in the pontifex maximus, the other pontifices forming his consilium, or advising body. His functions were partly sacrificial or ritualistic, but the real power lay in the administration of the jus divinum." - Britannica.com

    "Pontifex - It is obvious that a priesthood with such functions and holding office for life must have been a great power in the state, and for the first three centuries of the republic it is probable that the pontifex maximus was in fact its most powerful member. The office might be combined with a magistracy, and, though its powers were declaratory rather than executive, it may be described as quasi-magisterial. Under the later republic it was coveted chiefly for the great dignity of the position; Julius Caesar held it for the last 20 years of his life, and Augustus took it after the death of Lepidus in 12 BC, after which it became inseparable from the office of the reigning emperor." - Britannica.com

    "pontifex maximus - highest priest of Roman religion and official head of the college of pontifices. As the chief administrator of religious affairs he regulated the conduct of religious ceremonies, consecrated temples and other holy places, and controlled the calendar. During the time of the empire, and until Christianity became firmly established, the emperor was designated pontifex maximus. After the supremacy of Christianity, the popes assumed the title." - The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.

    Additionally, the idea of the pope as the vicar of Christ is modeled after Roman imperial paganism and pontifex maximus. Roman Catholicism employs the term vicar of Christ to the pope. One of the meanings of the word vicar is given below.

    "vicar - 1 : one serving as a substitute or agent; specifically : an administrative deputy" - Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary

    Therefore, in Roman Catholic theology the pope is the representative of Jesus Christ who physically rules over the earth in the place and authority of the Lord. This idea is directly taken from the Roman imperial view of the emperor, who, like the Roman Catholic pope, was the pontifex maximus.

    This office of pontifex maximus was held by emperor Constantine.

    "Constantine the Great - For a time it seemed as if merely tolerance and equality were to prevail. Constantine showed equal favour to both religions. As pontifex maximus he watched over the heathen worship and protected its rights." - Catholic Encyclopedia

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    Wait I thought we Cathoics worship statues this week.....or was it Mary?

    Its another great week when folks can't get their lie straight


    “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”

    ― Fulton J. Sheen
     
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    Still FALSE !

    NO men hold GOD'S place upon the earth !
     
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    And popes are men; they die, same as other men. And they're ELECTED by other men, not appointed by GOD.
     
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    The only people who wrongly perceive the Roman Catholic Church to be is the Catholics themselves, including you
     
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    Finally, something we can agree upon and you gave us the information without hatred or malice. The Anglicans in England call their priests "Vicar", so in the end we are not the only one's who use the term.
     
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    Additionally, the idea of the pope as the vicar of Christ is modeled after Roman imperial paganism and pontifex maximus. Roman Catholicism employs the term vicar of Christ to the pope. One of the meanings of the word vicar is given below.

    "vicar - 1 : one serving as a substitute or agent; specifically : an administrative deputy" - Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary
     
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    Whoa....what is this?? is this HONESTY? NO WAY!

    Is Yeshua1 ok? Someone should check for fever before it rubs off on particular.
     
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    And NONE are correct !
     
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    No. The irregualar churches stop teaching the true gospel long before then.
     
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    That is not what you said, rather:
     
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    We = pantheon

    Definition of pantheon in English:

    pantheon

    Pronunciation /ˈpanTHēˌän/ /ˈpænθiˌɑn/ /ˈpanTHēən/ /ˈpænθiən/

    NOUN

    1A group of particularly respected, famous, or important people.

    ‘the pantheon of the all-time greats’

    1.1A building in which the illustrious dead of a nation are buried or honoured.

    2All the gods of a people or religion collectively.

    ‘the deities of the Hindu pantheon’

    2.1(especially in ancient Greece and Rome) a temple dedicated to all the gods.

    Pantheon | Definition of Pantheon by Lexico
     
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    Exactly! I don't even know what "a pantheon of God" even means.

    Thank you for pointing out the poster was erecting another of his Straw Man arguments.
     
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    2 Cor 5:20 ---> "Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God."

    Ambassadors = πρεσβεύω (presbeuō) = from the base of presbyters = to be a senior, i.e. (by implication) act as a representative

    Source
     
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    Of course the RCC has a Pantheon.
    The Roman Pantheon is now a RC Church dedicated to Mary and ALL THE SAINTS. Same gods, different names.
     
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    Exactly. And as a reminder, many Protestants call their own pastors "vicars".

    ---> Vicar (Anglicanism) - Wikipedia
     
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    Maybe if you guys could up the reverence of Jesus Christ you wouldn't get outshined by the typical reverence we have for Saints.

    Namely a WORSHIP that is devoid of Love is like a balloon dis-inflating. We love our saints, makes you look bad.

    Probably because all your worship is self centered on SALVATION. Always about me me me.

    Look at your sunday services...all about my problems how do i fix them. In our service the climax is always Jesus Christ. you got the rest of the week to help others.
     
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