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Gentiles given truth & worshiping on the Sabbath foretold.

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  1. Hobie

    Hobie Well-Known Member

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    When Jesus customarily went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, he didn't go as a Jew, on behalf of the Jewish nation, but as the Son of man, as the second Adam, representing the entire race to God.

    Luke 4:14-21 King James Version (KJV)
    14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
    15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
    16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
    18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
    20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
    21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

    This particular Sabbath Day, Jesus declared Himself to be, the long awaited for Messiah to Israel according to the prophecies in Isaiah. But the prophecies also show that He would give the light to the Gentiles as well. We see that the verses in Acts 13:42-44 confirm the truth, that Gentiles after their conversion to Christ, kept the Sabbath.

    Acts 13:42-44 King James Version (KJV)
    42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
    43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
    44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    But many take for granted the surrounding verses referenced from the prophecies of Isaiah to show that it was foretold of the Gentiles worshiping on the Sabbath after Messiah had brought His Salvation. This event was in fulfillment of many Old Testament prophecies, for example:

    Isaiah 49:6-9 King James Version (KJV)
    6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
    7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
    8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
    9 That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

    Clearly, Jesus desired His gospel to go out to all nations, including Gentiles, because both Jews and Greeks are non-existant in Christ.
     
  2. Hobie

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    In Ephesians 2 we are told how we are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God, being one with Christ:

    Ephesians 2:11-22 King James Version (KJV)
    11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Now we can see how this was fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies in Isaiah 61:1-3:
    Isaiah 61:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
    1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
    3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

    This is the context Jesus quoted in Luke 4:16 on the Holy Sabbath, proclaiming Himself as the Messiah. Please note the reference to the opening of the prison. The deliverance to the captives, and liberty to them that are bruised was to be preached to the Gentiles after the disciples had first preached to Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria (formerly the northern kingdom), and then to the uttermost parts of the earth. See Acts 1:8. These Messianic verses clearly point to the fact that Jesus did not come to change His Commandments, to benefit the Gentiles, but that He would rule them the same way as He did the Jews, as their God, and they as His people, obedient to His law.
     
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    Jesus came under the Law, so at that time was sent just to the house of Israel, and they still observed the law and Sabbath, but now under the NC, as paul stated to us, we are free to observe a day or any and all days as unto the Lord!
     
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    Romans 14:4-10

    Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
    For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
    For whether we live, we live unto the Lord, and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
    For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
    But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
     
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    Is your personal commentary or private interpretation scripture?

    Do you consider yourself to be a pope whose interpretations cannot never be mistaken?
     
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    Whether he went as Adam, Jr., or God, Jr., I'm sure he won the race.
     
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    It actually was in a sermon I came across by Timothy Lee Arnett which had some very good points. I searched but cant find it but have it in my notes.
     
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    Look at the context as this was not about the Sabbath, but
    the issue was concerning meats and days. The converted Jews observed ceremonial days while the converted Gentile understood that Christianity put him under no such obligation or regard to ceremonial points. Paul exhorts that in such things no longer essential to Christianity, and explains they should not therefore let different sentiments hinder Christian fellowship and love. The early Church was made up of Jewish believers and Gentile converts, and their were many feast days that Jews had that were ceremonial, so nothing to do with the Sabbath.

    Here is more from Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832) on Romans 14:5 - One man esteemeth one day above another - Perhaps the word day, is here taken for time, festival, and such like, in which sense it is frequently used. Reference is made here to the Jewish institutions, and especially their festivals; such as the Passover, Pentecost, feast of tabernacles, new moons, jubilee, etc. The converted Jew still thought these of moral obligation; the Gentile Christian not having been bred up in this way had no such prejudices. And as those who were the instruments of bringing him to the knowledge of God gave him no such injunctions, consequently he paid to these no religious regard.
     
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    Is Timothy Lee Arnett a Seventh-Day Adventist?

    You did not state that you were citing or quoting the words of another man in your opening post, and you did not give a direct source for what you stated as your personal commentary or interpretation.
     
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    Think many times is channeling the doctrine of Ellen White to us!
     
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    The new Covenant was Grace, and as such, we now have no Sabbath day issued to the Church!
     
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    I cant find the sermon anymore, and this was just a excerpt I have in my notes, and he was a elder in one of the SDA churches who passed away.
     
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    Thus, he could be regarded as a biased source who was intentionally trying to interpret in a way to favor sectarian Seventh-day Adventist teaching.
     
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    I guess you missed the text...
     
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    The text does not actually state all the private Seventh-day Adventist commentary or spin that you added to it. Perhaps you jump to some incorrect conclusions based on your own Seventh-day Adventist views.
     
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