Any Non-Baptist Christians here?

Hebrews 3-4 (among many others; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, Acts 4:24, 14:15; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7, &c).

Hebrews 3-4 is clear.

Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.

Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.

Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.

Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".

Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.

Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

 

God rested from creation, but there was no sabbath in place and in force until, law given to Moses for the nation of israel!

 

That's not what Scripture says, see Mark 2:27-28 and Exodus 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:1-3; Hebrews 4 at minimum.

 

See Colossians 2:16-21

 

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Let me know when you watch it, and we can discuss the pertinent time indexes.

 

Did you still want to discuss the pioneers? You do seem to be all over the place, looking for something (anything) to stick, but I am still willing to discuss that topic, but in another thread, as this one is about to be closed shortly.

 

When God said:

Exo_16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?​

What was God referring to in context, and what did God mean by asking "How long ..." on that context? What had the people forgotten in their bondage that was originally there with Joseph, the son of Jacob/Israel, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham?

Second question.

When Paul wrote that the events of the Exodus were a type of the end times in 1 Corinthians 10, when he wrote:

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. ​

What does that mean in connection with Exodus 5 and 16?

Third question.

When Moses came back to Egypt from Mt. Sinai in Exodus 5, what is the reform he immediately implements by instruction of God, that makes Pharaoh so upset?

Fourth question.

When God was speaking about Abraham, and also his children, what was God specifically referring to when God said:

Gen_18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Gen_26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.​

Fifth question.

When Jesus spake of the last days, that it would be like the days of Noah, in connection with buying and selling, among marriage, etc, what do you think the ante-deluvians were doing that brought the global flood, that also brought the same destruction to Jerusalem in Daniel's day, as it would in Jesus' day, as it would in the last days?

I am interested in what you think on these. Feel free to address them altogether, or individually (which might be better).

 

When and where i the NT did God impose unto the gentiles the keeping of the Jewish Sabbath?

 

Where in the Bible (KJB) is the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" ever used, please cite just one verse, in either the OT or NT.

Please consider answering my previous questions, then consider reading Exodus 16, Deuteronomy 4 and Isaiah 56 to begin with, and then consider my next questions.

Sixth question,

Were only Hebrews brought out of Egypt, or was there a mixed multitude that came to the foot of Mt. Sinai, and were also present in Exodus 12-16?

Seventh question,

Were the Hebrews to keep God's laws to themselves, or were they to be the light of the world according to Deuteronomy 4, and did God ever rebuke the Hebrews for disobeying the command?

Eighth question,

In Isaiah 56 God speaks of His covenant and contextually speaking does He refer to the old covenant or the new and everlasting covenant?

 

Answer is that there are NO NT verses that state God imposed the Sabbath upon Gentiles in the Church!

 

You are free to believe that (for now), but did you desire to present to me the text or texts that use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" from the Bible (KJB)?

 

The Local assemblies in Act met on Sunday, as that is the Lord's Day...
You are free in Christ to keep observing Sabbath, but must NOT enforce that upon anyone else, as God does not!

 

You mean once the Pope declares Sunday worship, those of us going Sunday still will be damned?

 

Depends on how the word "swimming" is used. Persons can swim in all kinds of 'proverbial' things and non-proverbial things. To 'swim' (v.) does not necessarily require 'water'.

 

No. Have you never read the Great Controversy starting in Chapter 35 - Liberty of Conscience Threatened? The 'pope' long ago declared 'Sunday worship', see Sylvester, etc.

The matter is when church/state unite in the u.S.A (and going global after), and the state by (illegal, const. amend.) legislation passes such laws.

You may see a type in the 1888 Blair Bill, and the persecution taking place then, please read the Appendix section for case laws that were taking place then -

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/eBooks/THE_TWO_REPUBLICS.pdf

 

So, you do not have any texts from scripture (KJB) that use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" then?

 

... everyday of the week, as the Jews before them did (see even Jesus' example, and those before him,):

Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act_5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Act_6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

Act_16:5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.​

There is no command forbidding on gathering on any day of the week in scripture. Gathering on any day does not a sabbath make, nor does it nullify the direct command from God (Exodus 20:8-11, etc) to keep the 7th day the sabbath holy.

When Acts is read, there are multitude witnesses recording of sabbath keeping (it even mentions Paul for a year and six months (78) in one location, before moving on to do the same in the next location he was to go):

Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15-16), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;
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It was also pointed out to you (on several occasions) that every single 'first (day) of the week' text, in koine Greek is evidence of the continuation of the sabbath of the LORD, as being the culmination of every week, the 7th day.

The only record in Acts, besides the 'daily' texts, that refers to the first day of the week directly is Acts 20:7, and that is a night meeting, a one-time event (no evidence of weekly occurrence or continuance here), held from sundown (sabbath was past), unto midnight and a little beyond, with Paul leaving at sun-up and travelling circa. 19 miles to the next destination, never to see them again.

 

The earliest Christians moved from sat to Sun as that was now the Lords day, after resurrection of jesus! No pope did that, was done while Apostles still alive, and they agreed to it!

 

the custom of the churches after separating from Judaism was observing Sunday, as have ECF all the way into first century stating that was what happened!