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WHAT ARE SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Steven_15, May 6, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Your logic is interesting, as someone like myself who see hagin and Copeland the like as heretics is really one of them?
     
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    This is your false claim. It is clear that you are viewing faith as a work that YOU generate by your own will. You then assert that God blesses the faith YOU generate by healing you and giving you wealth and prosperity. It is YOU who trusts in works.
    The fact that you have twisted this up is obvious even to the casual observer at the BB.
     
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    He really is into having "God kind of faith", so can play God and command what we want to happen!
     
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    Your criticisms about others works are not backed by a testimonious example. So you are a hypocrite and you better get away.
     
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    You have no testimony to back up your criticisms of others and in addition you scoff faith. Wrt Isaiah 53:4 you are an apostate. Get away.
     
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    Rubbish. Does Mark 9:23 presuppose one has to produce faith in order to believe?
     
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    Can we get what we want from God by positive confession and words of faith?
     
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    Mathew 7:5: "You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

    7:6 "Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet."
     
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    What does Mark 9 say? I dare you to quote more than a sentence. Your prooftexting is no different than what a Muslim does.

    Please expound on the passage for us.

    Mark 9:1-43,45,47-50 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.” And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them, and his clothes became radiant, intensely white, as no one on earth could bleach them. And there appeared to them Elijah with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. And Peter said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.” For he did not know what to say, for they were terrified. And a cloud overshadowed them, and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my beloved Son; listen to him.” And suddenly, looking around, they no longer saw anyone with them but Jesus only. And as they were coming down the mountain, he charged them to tell no one what they had seen, until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. So they kept the matter to themselves, questioning what this rising from the dead might mean. And they asked him, “Why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come?” And he said to them, “Elijah does come first to restore all things. And how is it written of the Son of Man that he should suffer many things and be treated with contempt? But I tell you that Elijah has come, and they did to him whatever they pleased, as it is written of him.” And when they came to the disciples, they saw a great crowd around them, and scribes arguing with them. And immediately all the crowd, when they saw him, were greatly amazed and ran up to him and greeted him. And he asked them, “What are you arguing about with them?” And someone from the crowd answered him, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, for he has a spirit that makes him mute. And whenever it seizes him, it throws him down, and he foams and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. So I asked your disciples to cast it out, and they were not able.” And he answered them, “O faithless generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him to me.” And they brought the boy to him. And when the spirit saw him, immediately it convulsed the boy, and he fell on the ground and rolled about, foaming at the mouth. And Jesus asked his father, “How long has this been happening to him?” And he said, “From childhood. And it has often cast him into fire and into water, to destroy him. But if you can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.” And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.” Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!” And when Jesus saw that a crowd came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying to it, “You mute and deaf spirit, I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” And after crying out and convulsing him terribly, it came out, and the boy was like a corpse, so that most of them said, “He is dead.” But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him up, and he arose. And when he had entered the house, his disciples asked him privately, “Why could we not cast it out?” And he said to them, “This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer.” They went on from there and passed through Galilee. And he did not want anyone to know, for he was teaching his disciples, saying to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill him. And when he is killed, after three days he will rise.” But they did not understand the saying, and were afraid to ask him. And they came to Capernaum. And when he was in the house he asked them, “What were you discussing on the way?” But they kept silent, for on the way they had argued with one another about who was the greatest. And he sat down and called the twelve. And he said to them, “If anyone would be first, he must be last of all and servant of all.” And he took a child and put him in the midst of them, and taking him in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me, receives not me but him who sent me.” John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. For the one who is not against us is for us. For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward. “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell,to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire. Salt is good, but if the salt has lost its saltiness, how will you make it salty again? Have salt in yourselves, and be at peace with one another.”
     
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    LOL, you have resorted to your true nature where you become accuser. You show us your colors in full array. Thank you for exposing yourself to us.
     
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    Your proof-passaging is SIMPLY RUBBISH.

    Simply because Jesus expected faith doesn't mean faith has to be produced by humans.

    You have not been given faith in Christ's atonement to be healed. Wrt healing you are an apostate. Keep away your stupid replies from this thread.
     
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    That's not my colour and nature. Thats what Jesus said to faith-scoffers and hypocrites. Read the bible. Keep your useless responses elsewhere.
     
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    So I am either a pig or a dog now?
     
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    When confronted by the truth of the Scriptures, those holding to WoF have to resort to that sort of thing!
     
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    How is denying the heresy of WoF being a scoffer?
     
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    Jesus talks about hypocrites who judge others and faith-scoffers!!
     
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    You are wof in disguise refuting faith in Christ's atonement in Isaiah 53:4.
     
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    Those who pretend to be reformed sent faith in Christ's atonement for healing and tacitly encourage the reformed christians to seek and be healed by gifted healers in wof.
     
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    Acts 8:9-11,18-23 But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the power of God that is called Great.” And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic.

    Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.”

    Acts 13:6-12 When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they came upon a certain magician, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus. He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God. But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and unable to see the sun for a time.” Immediately mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking people to lead him by the hand. Then the proconsul believed, when he saw what had occurred, for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
     
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    Romans 14:23: "for whatsoever is not of faith is sin".

    Physical healing, financial blessings are spiritual blessings is received through faith in only Mediator Christ's atonement.
     
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