What happens if you die while you're sinning?

According to Scripture there is no truth that either of these two analogies that are used would see their people sent to eternal hell.

Once a person is saved by grace through faith it is a done deal and it can never be reversed. It is a one time event, and once it is done then God no longer deals with that person concerning salvation by grace through faith. After that point it is time to focus on becoming more like Christ.

 

There is no way we can answer that because we have incomplete information. The most important part is left out.

Are they a saved person or a lost person?

When a lost person dies...whether they die commiting a sin or not...they are eternally lost.

When a born again person dies...whether they die commiting a sin or not...they are eternally saved.

Those who say a born again person would be lost if they died while commiting a sin do not believe we are saved by Gods grace through faith in Christ, but rather that we are saved by works.

Thats not the gospel that saves.

The gospel is that when one embraces Christ through faith alone they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, "sealed" into the body of Christ, given new wants and desires, and is guarenteed of heaven when they die.

If their are some things they have trouble overcoming they are without a doubt "grieving the Holy Spirit", and that full passage of scripture says...

God bless,

Mike

 

xdisciplex the warnings given in the Bible about falling away and the like are talking about the salvation of the soul and not the salvation of the spirit, which takes place by salvation by grace through faith.

When one is saved by grace through faith their dead spirit is brought to life by the Holy Spirit and from that point forward is incapable of sinning. That is why the spirit is secure for eternity, because it no longer sins. However, the body and the soul are still in darkness and are capable of sinning and that's why I John tells us that we must confess our sin on a continuing basis in order that our body and soul might be saved.

You can see this in the foot washing ceremony in the Gospel of John and also in the picture of the OT priests who washed ceremonyily one time in their lifetime, but periodically washed parts of their body for the rest of their life.

 

Is it possible for a Christian to go to Heaven without sinning?
Yes, it is not only possible, it is inevitable that all men will go to heaven with sin. Man is not perfect. We all are sinners.
Is it possible to fully obey this commandment even while dying, or just before death (remember death may come sudden and unexpectedly).

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

BTW, I don't believe any believe is capable of keeping the above commandment.
DHK

[ May 14, 2006, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

"I give unto you eternal life," Jesus said.
Did he lie.
There were no conditions attached.

 

I think that there will be in heaven people who have held grudges, and have taken those grudges to their grave with them.
The fact is God has given us a promise.

I give unto you eternal life.
It is an unconditional promise.

Not everyone has the luxury of dying slowly on a hospital reminiscing of all the sins they have committed and confessing them to the Lord.
Many die suddenly without notice. Perhaps a heart attack, a car accident, a plane crash, or any number of things that may instantly kill a believer. You may not have time to go and make things right with your enemy. What then? Will God break his promise because of that? Was the thief on the cross able to go back and forgive all those that he wronged before he died and went to paradise?
DHK

 

xdisciplex the modern day idea of hell has been twisted a lot, because the original languages used various words that don't all equal hell.

All the warnings that you see are to believers. Every NT book is written to believers and for their benefit.

The only spiritual truth an unbeliever is able to understand is that Christ died for them and paid the penalty for their sin. And they are able to understand that because of the Holy Spirit. But outside of that the Bible is written to believers.

There are unfaithful Christians that will be disciplined during the 1,000-year reign of Christ instead of ruling and reigning with Him, which is what we are supposed to do. And those that are found faithful will fulfill that role.

That's why day-by-day, moment-by-moment walking and living by the Spirit is SO critical. Today's Christian and today's Christendom believe that somehow all Christians will be found faithful in the end. And that's just not what the Bible teaches.

That's why Christendom is in such sad shape. People say and do whatever they want to do and very few deal with sin, because in the end everyone's going to be okay with God. And there are going to be MANY surprised Christians when they stand in front of Christ on judgment day.

I pray that I will die to self each and every day, each and every moment and allow the Spirit to live in me and work in and through me. Doesn't always work. So when the Holy Spirit shows me something in my life that is grieving the Spirit or quenching the Spirit it must be confessed and dealt with.

Hope that helps. If you want more information on the salvation of the soul go back to the PM that I sent you with the website address and read the book Salvation of the Soul. It will answer a lot of the questions that you have had on this board.

 

What do you think would happen if a christian commits adultery with another wife and her husband comes home and finds the two in his bed and then shoots them both? What makes you think they are Christians?

 

The above is a modern day heresy.
Hell is for the wicked, the unsaved, and never has anything to do with the saved. There is no such thing as the saved suffering during the thousand year reign with Christ. In fact if you read Revelation 19, you will find the saints coming back to earth with Christ in their perfected glorified bodies to reign on earth with Christ. How can one receive judgement in a "Baptist purgatory" after already been in heaven for a time, and after having received his glorified body at the resurrection? Preposterous!!

Read about the events of the Great White Throne Judgement where Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of fire (Rev.20:10-15) and will suffer eternal torment day and night forever and ever. Hell contains all the wicked from all ages from the creation of the world to this day. They will then be cast into the Lake of Fire at their final sentencing.
DHK

 

"The only spiritual truth an unbeliever is able to understand is that Christ died for them and paid the penalty for their sin. And they are able to understand that because of the Holy Spirit. But outside of that the Bible is written to believers."

i'll just let the bible correct you on that:

"for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness" 1corinthians 1:18

 

hmmm Wonder why He said preach the Gospel to every creature? Wonder who they were preaching to and what were they preaching when 3000 souls were saved?

I don't know any christians who commit adultery. I have known a few so-called-christians but the Lord said from such to withdraw so we did.
Too much of the church trying to forgive sin when it takes God to do the forgiving. We can forgive our brethern their trespasses but when it comes to adultery, murder, etc, they will have to go to God. That is what is wrong with the churches today trying to have the world in them.

 

But doesnt it seem like it didnt matter with the man who kept building bigger and better barns to store all his stuff?

Luke 12:20: But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

That makes me think that its just too bad if you happen to die suddenly, doesnt it seem that way to you?

The theif on the cross wouldnt apply here would it? since he was actually sorry for what he had done. He COULDNT come down and make things right with anybody but he was repentant as much as he could be


2Cor:8:12: For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.


Claudia

 

Brother Bob,

I understand where you are coming from, but sometimes dont people who are in the grasp of satan and under deception and sin need our help and compassion the very most at that time?

Think about the woman caught in adultery that Jesus forgave and the woman at the well who had 5 husbands... Jesus didnt withdraw from her did He?

Claudia

 

xd;That is right xdisciplex; I don't think a Christian could do such a thing and please don't start quoting me those under the Law Covenant for they did not have the Holy Ghost inward as we do.

Claudia; Sure I think they need our compassion but in my experience they were more interested in the young woman in most cases than any compassion or repentance.
The woman caught in adultery; The Lord told her to go and sin no more. She was not a saved person before.