Featured God is Completely Sovereign or in Control of EVERYTHING that happens.

I have answered this absurdity dozens of times, yet the profoundly false question is asked and asked. Why, deflection on display. Salvation does not, repeat NOT depend on the man that wills or works for salvation, but on God alone!!!! Should I repeat this again and again?

 

On and on folks, deflection and misrepresentation is all they have. God saves us, no one saves themselves.

 

Finally, you agree with me.

 

Did Adam die the same day he sinned? As God said he would? Why didn't he die until 900 years later if God was not talking about spiritual death? = People are spiritually dead in Adam until God raises their dead spirits from the dead. They cannot believe until then, faith is a fruit of salvation.

 

Sorry, still not sure. The post you quoted did not mention Satan. I was asking why. Even complete control and Sovereignty would allow Satan to incite God as one of Satan's thoughts. Reformed theology is so messy, that any belief is possible. As possible as God's Sovereignty. They just get to arbitrate what is Sovereign. Obviously, to them, being sealed at conception by the Holy Spirit is not Sovereign. There is no proof either way, unless there is and they cannot find the proof to complete their Sovereign view of God.

Paul says we are sealed until the day of redemption. Define redemption. You still do not have a start. Well the start happened on the Cross. The Atonement was the start. The Cross was the beginning of the Lamb's book of life. It happened before creation. It happened to Adam. It happened to all in Adam, before all were born. It happened individually at conception. It happens until redemption. Or death. It is not settled if some even in death, will have a choice at the GWT. The Lamb's book of life is still sealed. No names added or removed.

Satan's thoughts are not part of God’s control, and if that was your gist, then great. Now if we have free will, and angels do not, may it be that angels can have original thoughts, and humans cannot? Just saying. A God who planned it all out planned for a Satan that could have thoughts unique. GOD in eternity cannot change. Satan would be the means of change, and God countered every thought. Should not Satan be the tool and not humanity? We are not pawns, Satan just wants us to believe that. It takes the focus off him, and causes us to stumble in our own misery like Job.

 

Redemption is when we rise from the dead, never to die again. We are redeemed from the power of death, otherwise known as the gates of hell. While In this life, we are promised redemption, but it isn’t fully realized until the resurrection. But that’s a little off topic for this thread.

 

Round 2?

No dead spirits. They are demons.

Adam's spirit is alive and still with God. Only when the Lamb opens the 5th seal in Revelation 6, will Adam and all in Christ be restored to their spirit.

Spiritual death is the spirit being separated from us at conception. God then seals us with the Holy Spirit at conception.

Adam's soul separated from this flesh 900 years later. The soul was in Abraham's bosom until the cross. 3.5 days later it ascended to Paradise and is under the alter, waiting for the 5th seal to be opened.

No dead spirits, unless reprobate, then a demon. No dead souls until the lake of fire, and the second death. The only dead thing, is cursed human flesh. Came from dust, returns to dust, dead. Cannot enter Paradise. Never could after the Fall, still cannot today. Will never in the future. Dust remains dust, will all be burned in fire as this reality is dissolved. God says a new glorified body will happen. Yes, the opening of the 5th and 6th seal. Revelation 6:9-11

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were killed for the word of God, and for the testimony which they maintained.

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, Lord, which art holy and true! dost not thou judge and avenge our blood on them, that dwell on the earth?

11 And long white robes were given unto every one, and it was said unto them, that they should rest for a little season until their fellow servants, and their brethren that should be killed even as they were, were fulfilled.

What does John mean by killed like they were? They were dead in Christ. Redeemed in Christ. There are hundreds of ways to physically die. This refers to the death caused by Adam's disobedience. They received their glorified bodies. Soon all the church, then all of living Israel who freely accept the Atonement. Then the Nations themselves will have one last choice given to living humanity. Then the Atonement will be complete. All the world and kingdoms given to God from Jesus Christ the Lamb. Then the Second Coming.

 

This thread is about God's Sovereignty. What is off topic? The title even says EVERYTHING. blank post would be off topic.

 

I think you need a better definition of “sovereignty”. It doesn’t mean to have everything under complete control, nor does the book of Job support that. God gave Satan permission to afflict Job, but He didn’t tell him how to do it—just the limits Satan had to abide by: spare his person (the first time) and spare his life (the second time).

Your premise is false, therefore your conclusion is false.

 

One of us is redefining 'dead,' but I don't think you'll find it's me. Dead is dead. No life.

I shall be interested to see you prove that. A.T. Robertson's view is generally rejected.

Scripture can certainly lead people to Christ, but only when God opens the heart to receive it And dead people's hearts are.....well.....dead.

 

There isn't ONE verse in the Bible about predestination to salvation.

That was covered, and remained unanswered by defining cross-referencing scriptures, in an entire thread.

Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

 

There isn't ONE verse in the Bible about predestination to salvation.

That was covered, and remained unanswered by defining cross-referencing scriptures, in an entire thread.

Prove it wrong: There is not one verse about predestination to salvation

 

Have any of your children (if you have/had them) ever died?

 

Please use a bigger font next time.

 

You have made a universal statement. The onus of proof is on you.

 

Maybe your suffering from hallucinogens and delusions of grandeur. There is no predestination to Salvation in scripture .And you didn't show any such verse or proof it even exist. It came right out of your imagination. Your the one with the claim prove it.
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If God has everything under His control this means even sin then show us some scripture that says so with out your imagination.involved
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