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Featured What will we eat in Heaven - according to scripture?

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  1. Alofa Atu

    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    Of course it does, but most Baptists have been so deceived by Jesuit Roman Catholic theology (through infiltration of their seminaries, pulpits, materials), that they think that Heaven is being nothing substantial (they imagine they are airy non-things), and doing nothing substantial (as Heaven is not a place of trees, rivers, gardens, but wispy non-things, unable to be described without borrowing words of substance), and partaking of nothing substantial (they do not eat or drink). In effect, they have made Heaven, into nothing substantial. They have no real reward (they may speak about 'crowns', and 'robes', but they are again, made into things of non-substance, intangible). Sadly, they (like Robycop3, who refuses to acknowledge his own errors even when directly pointed out to him, as if he were final authority in all matters of faith and practice) are deceived and some even deceiving (some ignorantly, some presumptuously).

    Yet, scripture says:

    Psa_78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat [KJB 'food'] to the full.​

    Heaven (up from here) is a real tangible place, that Jesus ascended to physically. He connects the place He went to, with this place He ascended from. The Apostles understood that Heaven (3rd) is an actual place (John 14), as real, physical, tangible as the place they were then standing as they watched Him go up from them.

    Jesus stated:

    Mat_26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

    Mar_14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.​

    Eating and drinking is indeed already in Heaven, and shall still be there, when we ourselves are brought back with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14) to the Father who waits at the gates for the return of the Son (Psalms 24 repeats in the great harvest of the earth).
     
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    Alofa Atu Well-Known Member

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    The text:

    Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.​

    Where does the verse say that eating and drinking will cease? It says "hunger" and "thirst", which are extremes of need, as in being without food (starvation) and without water (dehydration). God is stating by the verse, in context, that He will provide all their dietary requirements, in the eating of the Tree of Life ("replicator" from "Star Trek", that atheistic mockery, are you serious? Please get your head out of the 'science' falsely so called (you are warned; 1 Timothy 6:20))) and from the water of the river of life, and of the gardens, etc.

    Do you have access to the valuable (though not perfect) TSK?

    hunger: Psa_42:2, Psa_63:1, Psa_143:6; Isa_41:17, Isa_49:10, Isa_65:13; Mat_5:6; Luk_1:53, Luk_6:21; Joh_4:14​

    If we do not continually partake of the Tree of Life (as in Genesis) we would indeed die. We, who are redeemed, never obtain inherent immortality (which God alone has; 1 Timothy 6:16), but always conditional immortality. We will always have to receive sustenance from God.

    Eternal Life is always found in Christ Jesus (John 5:39), and He eats food, even still. He is eternally a glorified man, having forever taken upon Himself the flesh of mankind. He truly gave sacrifice. He is eternally Immanuel, God with us, for unto "us" a Son was "given" (permanently).

    The Angels (angelic hosts) eat food:

    Psa_78:25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat [KJB 'food'] to the full.​
     
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    Nupe. We will be in SPIRITUAL bodies, & have no need for food.
     
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    Again, Sportzz Fanzz, GOD said He will do away with food & stomachs, & that SETTLES it for us who believe God. The Seven-Day-Adlibbers have it wrong, as usual.
     
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    A spiritual body is not equivalent to a spirit-body. Spiritual has to do with submission to God. Thus:

    1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.​

    Notice that says, "it" "is raised". What "it" is "raised"? Your theology is sounding more and more like the Jehovah's Witnesses and WTS, in which God disintegrates the physical body and merely raises a 'spectre' (a 'spirit'; which is purely Roman Catholic spiritualism)

    There is no such thing as a 'spirit-body' as it is a contradiction in scriptural terms:

    Luk_24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.​

    We shall be raised (if we die), like unto Jesus glorious "body":

    Php_3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.​

    Which is what the angels themselves have, though a differing kind of flesh, being a differing "kind" than "mankind":

    Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
    Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

    1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
    1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
    1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
    1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
    So, you say "spiritual body", but you have redefined "spiritual" to mean "spirit", and make the real tangible, physical body in submission to God (being "spiritual" (Hosea 9:7; Romans 7:14; 1 Corinthians 2:15, 10:4; Galatians 6:1; 1 Peter 2:5, etc))) into that which is of no substance.

    You have vaporized your heavenly reward.
     
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    God, and myself, are not a "fan" of "Sportzz" (sic), as they are antithesis to the Kingdom of God, through their competition, rivalry, boastfulness, pride, desire to injure, blood, death, the false spirit and spiritual sides (like of Yoga, Tai Chi, Karate, martial arts, etc, etc) etc. The Bible has much to say about the satanic realm of 'sports' and their 'play' (Exodus 32:6; 1 Corinthians 10:7), just like the ungodly colosseums.

    Rom_1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.​

    This doesn't mean that certain good aspects from God aren't borrowed for those satanic things (sports), such as exercise, strength-training, discipline, mental focus, temperance, finishing to the goal, running, jumping, swimming, etc.

    "Deadly" Martial Arts









     
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    Trying to change the subject, eh? the theme was what will be eaten in heaven. God said He will do away with both food & stomachs, so that should end the discussion.

    As for sports, Paul mentions the running of a race, with no condemnation, so forget your silliness.
     
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    How does what Paul stated - What will we eat in Heaven - according to scripture? , reflect upon what God promised:

    Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
    Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
    Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
    Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
    Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
    Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
    Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
    Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.​

    And how could what you say what Paul means agree with it?
     
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    You’re assuming it’s a bad thing. Perhaps the food, with our angelic metabolism, makes what comes out more valuable than what went in. I’m guessing gold, since that’s what the streets are made of.


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    In the latter parts of Isaiah 65, he's describing millenial conditions, not the state of the righteous person after his resurrection into a new body.
     
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    Humans will not be alive on earth during the millennium. You are mistaken, as the text clearly speaks of the New Heavens and New Earth, which are not during the millennium (see Isaiah 65:17-19,25) but in that which is stated to be forever and ever (not limited to 1000 years):

    Here are the texts of Revelation 20:1-7 cited:

    Revelation 20:1 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    Revelation 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Revelation 20:3 - And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Revelation 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:7 - And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

    Please notice, that in these texts [Revelation 20:1-7], there is no where written that either Jesus, or the “saints” (or “satan” for that matter), shall “reign upon the earth” for 1,000 years, but simply says [vss. 4,6] that Jesus and the saints reigned “a thousand years”. The location of this 1,000 reign is nowhere stated to be “upon the earth” in these, or any passages of scripture [KJB]. Revelation 20:1 refers to Jesus coming “down” from Heaven but not touching the sin polluted earth, which connects to 1 Thessalonians 4:16 in its “descend from Heaven”. Revelation 20:6 speaks of the “first resurrection”, which is connected to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, in its “the dead in Christ shall rise first” and “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”, which ties into John 14:1-4. One should very carefully look for themselves. It also is very clearly written that “satan” himself was not reigning during this “thousand years”, but is “bound” and “shut … up” with a “seal” placed “upon him”.

    The phrase “the day of the Lord” [Isaiah 2:12, 13:6,9, 34:8; Jeremiah 46:10; Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31, 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 1:15; Zephaniah 1:7,8,14,18, 2:2,3; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10], is a direct reference to the “thousand years” [Revelation 20:2,3,4,5,6,7, see also Isaiah 24:22, “many days”], which is the final “day”, the 7th day – the great Sabbath, of the great week “with the Lord” [2 Peter 3:8].

    The second Advent of Jesus Christ, wherein the “saints” are “caught up together … in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 20:1-6] is but the beginning of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, while the third Advent of Jesus Christ [Zechariah 14:1-21; Revelation 20:7-10] is the ending of the “thousand years” or “the day of the Lord”, after which the finally impenitent shall be utterly destroyed in the second death, and finally the “New Heavens” and the “New Earth” are recreated [Isaiah 65:17, 66:22; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1] which the “meek shall inherit”.

    Revelation 19-22, is parallel to Isaiah 24, and so also connected to Leviticus 16:1-34, 23:26-32.

    The location of this “reign” of Jesus and the saints, for “a thousand years” is never said to be on the plague wracked, utterly sin polluted and totally cursed and devastated “earth”, wherein even the upper heaven [atmosphere] is burned away by the second Advent [Genesis 3:17, 5:29, 8:21; Isaiah 34:4; 2 Peter 3:10-12; Revelation 6:14; 11:19, 15:1,6,8, 16:9,17-21, 18:4,8 21:9, 22:18]. So likewise for the passages of “Isaiah 2, 11, 65; Amos 9; Zechariah 14”. Read prayerfully and carefully for oneself. Where then is the “thousand year” reign of Jesus and the saints to be? It is to be in Heaven, the “third” [2 Corinthians 12:2].

    Notice Isaiah 2:4 in which it speaks of, “... they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” That is the earth “made new”, wherein it is said in Revelation 21:4, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” The earth is not “made new” until after the 1,000 years, not before.

    Notice Isaiah 11:4-10, in which the complete destruction of the wicked takes place first (as in Revelation 20:9-10, 11-15), and then follows the statements about the New Heaven and New Earth, which comes after the 1,000 years, see Isaiah 11:9, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” See Isaiah 11:6-8 and compare to Isaiah 65:20-25, 66:22-23. See that Isaiah 66:16 and its events, the destruction of the wicked in entirety, come before those other events, which take place in the earth “made new”.

    Notice Amos 9:14-15 in which the events, “... they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them.”, and of the planting and building are in the earth “made new”, after the events of the destruction of the wicked in Amos 9:8, which does not take place until after the 1,000 years as Isaiah 24 and Revelation 20 (and other places) show.

    Notice Zechariah 14 carefully, and see that this is not referring to the Second Advent (the beginning of the 1,000 years), wherein the “saints” are “caught up” to “meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), as also John 14:3 says, “... I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”, but refers to the Third Advent, wherein the Lord Jesus comes “down” and touches the sin polluted earth, along with the saints and New Jerusalem on the Mount of Olives, as in Revelation 20, at the ending of the 1,000 years, and thus metes out judgment, executing all the wicked, and recreating the heavens and earth. See Zechariah 14:12-13,21 in connection to Revelation 20:9-10,11-15.

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    The Calendar is here - How old is mankind, let's see if we can get a rough date.

    You can download it here [PDF] - https://archive.org/download/7000-y...asting-Gospel-Bible-Historical-Quotations.pdf

    Here [PowerPoint] - https://archive.org/download/the-redemption-of-the-creation-7000-years-and-the-everlasting-gospel/The Redemption of the Creation - 7000 Years And The Everlasting Gospel.pptx

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    Additionally:

    Isaiah 65:20 לא־יהיה משׁם עוד עול ימים וזקן אשׁר לא־ימלא את־ימיו כי הנער בן־מאה שׁנה ימות והחוטא בן־מאה שׁנה יקלל׃

    Isaiah 65:20 lo-yih'yeh miSHäm ôd ûl yämiym w'zäqën ásher lo-y'maLë et-yämäyw Kiy haNaar Ben-mëäh shänäh yämût w'hachô†e Ben-mëäh shänäh y'quLäl​

    vss 18-19, says:

    Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

    Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.​

    These refer to the people, that make up the New Heavenly city, that comes down after the 1,000 years.

    Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.​

    The text, in its context, is not speaking of the 1,000 years reign, but rather the eternal and everlasting reign on the earth made new.

    Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.​

    The phrase 'die an hundred years old' is not referring to physical death, but to transition from childhood to adulthood. It is saying that the person will still be counted a child even until 100 years (after they had been resurrected), and will be considered mature at 100. The phrase "the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed", is not stating that the sinner is alive. These things take place after the 1,000 years, and after all of the sinners are destroyed. The phrase is connected to Daniel 12:2, in that sinners, though long since destroyed remain accursed.

    Isaiah 65:20 KJB - There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. [Context: Isaiah 65:17 KJB - For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.]​

    Shall we not see how the text begins with:

    "There shall be no more thence an infant of days", in comparison to the latter part of the text?, "the child shall die an hundred years old". These two together speak of a childhood that lasts 100 years, before becoming an adult.

    The Bible [KJB] in several places speaks of "the days of thy youth", "days of his youth", "yet a youth", "but a youth" which ceases at manhood, for the "days of youth [as a child]" are not endless, but have a set time, for a period of growth [thus as Ecclesiastes says, a "time to die" [Ecclesiastes 3:2 KJB]], for instance:

    Psalms 144:12 KJB - That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth; that our daughters may be as corner stones, polished after the similitude of a palace:​

    In further context, we read:

    Isaiah 65:22 KJB - They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.​

    The children in the New Heavens and New Earth do not stay youth forever, but grow up, and thus the youth dies, is "passed away", ceases to be youth, and is now adult, thus the phrase of 'passing' into adulthood:

    Malachi 4:2 KJB - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.​

    Paul says something similar:

    1 Corinthians 13:11 KJB - When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.​

    Ephesians 4:15 KJB - But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:​
     
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    I did post this text earlier, but now provide to you some context:

    Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

    2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
    2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.​

    Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
    Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
    Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
    Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
    Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.​

    Did you notice the location of the Tree Of Life and the Fruit thereof for eating, and the River of Life for drinking? Does it say "millennium" (1000 years), or does it say "for ever and ever"?
     
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    Rev. 22 is about the earth after God makes it anew, with the New jerusalem on earth, no more seas, etc. This, of course, will be AFTER the millenium.
     
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    My, MY, how you or your SDA gurus like making up fables & twisting Scriptures !

    Most of the verses you cite are speaking of MILLENIAL times, as people won't die at all on the new earth; we will be in our new immortal bodies.
     
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    This is mostly Seven-Day-Adlibber hooey.

    There will CERTAINLY be mortal people on earth during the millenium. Remember, JESUS WILL RULE WITH A ROD OF IRON, and just WHOM will the saints reigh over with Him?

    And just WHOM will Satan cause to rebel when the millenium ends?

    I suggest you read the Bible while praying for the HOLY SPIRIT to teach you what it REALLY says & means, not what EGW or other SDA quax & charlatans say it means.
     
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    We're getting away from "What well we eat in heaven?", but I fully believe GOD settled it when He said He will do away with both food & stomachs.
     
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    The resurrected wicked:

    Joh_5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

    Isa 24:22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

    Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Rev 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. ..."

    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​
     
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    God's people are the "rod of Iron":

    “with a rod of iron” – The Rod (King’s Sceptre) of the Shepherd, the ruling and corrector, judge, rod of inheritance, separator of chaff from wheat, voice of the LORD, that which is used to feed with, head over the house; see Gen. 49:10; Exo. 4:17; Lev. 27:32; Num. 17:3, 24:17; 2 Sam. 7:14, 23:21; 1 Chr. 11:23; Job. 9:34, 37:13; Psa. 23:4, 45:6; 74:2, 89:32, 110:2; Pro. 10:13, 13:24, 22:15, 23:13-14, 26:3, 29:15; Isa. 10:24, 11:1,4, 14:5,29, 28:27, 30:31; Jer. 10:16, 51:19; Lam. 3:1; Eze. 19:11,14, 20:37, 21:10,13; Amo. 1:5,8; Mic. 5:1, 7:14; Zec. 10:11; and a ‘rod’ is also a ‘tribe’ or people group (H7626), such as ‘Israel’ (Natural or Spiritual), see Gen. 49:16; Deut. 29:8; Jos. 13:6-7, 23:4; Psa. 78:55; Pro. 27:17; Isa. 10:4-5,15, 49:6; Jer. 1:18; Eze. 37:19; and "iron" is that which breaks in pieces all others; symbol of strength, even of defense (walls of iron, etc), see Lev. 26:19; Job. 28:2, 40:18; Pro. 27:17; Jer. 15:12; Dan. 2:40, and thus a “rod of iron”, see Num. 35:16; Psa. 2:9; Isa. 11:4; Rev. 2:27, 12:5, 19:15.​

    To reign with Christ Jesus is not to "reign over" other people, as the text says to "reign with", not "reign over".

    1Co_4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.​

    Since the scriptures reveal that the Saints are not on the Earth during the "1000 years", and the unrighteous do "not inherit the Kingdom of God" [1 Corinthians 6:9-10], how then can it be taught that the Saints "reign" over the wicked as some assume? The scriptures never speak of the Saints reigning "over" the wicked, but rather the scriptures say that the Saints shall "reign with Christ Jesus". What does this mean? Let us look at some instances of how the scriptures use the word "reign" here:

    For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) (Romans 5:17)

    Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you. (1 Corinthians 4:8)

    If we suffer, we shall also reign with [him]: if we deny [him], he also will deny us: (2 Timothy 2:12)

    Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)​

    It is not a 'reign over the wicked' as some have judged. It is rather a "reign[ing] with CHRIST JESUS" in life and peace.

    Christ Jesus said it will not be like those who "exercise lordship" over others:

    And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. (Luke 22:25)

    But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve. (Luke 22:26)​

    See Dominion:

     
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    Since when did name-calling become grounds of a solid refutation of a position one disagrees with? I provided scriptural evidence, even that, in abundance. What did you provide in contradistinction to that documentation in the word of God? Name-calling. Well, if you are satisfied with that defense, so be it. I would be ashamed of taking such a position as that.
     
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