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If you hold that your first statement, "Whoever reacts is controlled by whoever causes what they react to. This is not God but an idol." is accurate, then you are agreeing with my contention: that you are saying God does NOT answer our prayers, when we ask for bread, He gives us a stone, or that God did NOT write with His finger on Moses' second set of tablets, that the hand, writing on Belshazzar's wall, was going to happen anyway?

And you are calling God an idol?? That seems rather unwise, Brother Dave!

 

It is loving for God to force us to behave a certain way, if that way is for the best for us. For instance, a parent SHOULD force a child to stay out of the street when a car is coming, or that parent is not loving. The situation might be different when the child is no longer a child. It might be in the former child's best interest to let him be hurt by the oncoming car, in order to avoid a more fruitless existence.

But if parent could force the child to always believe the parent is correct, that's a different story.

Can God do so? I believe He can but not without violating His creation. If He created man to be able to choose to obey Him or not, and then strips man of such a choice, He is admitting that He was wrong to give him the choice in the first place.

 

I don’t think anyone can stop God from fulfilling his plans. Can you point to where you think I said something like that?

 

I can think of a number of things other than the Holy Spirit that He uses to make us more like Him.
1. Our parents
2. Our pastors
3. His Word
4. Temptations
5. Hardships

That doesn’t mean the Holy Spirit isn’t involved, including with all the foregoing, but He is certainly more nebulous than these things in how He works.

 

I appreciate your analogy of dead people getting adopted (especially since Dick Grayson, after his parents died, was Bruce Wayne’s ward), I really do, but aren’t you mixing your metaphors a bit?

 

Which part of what I said doesn’t align with scripture? Don’t be lazy! Give references.

You should be trying to convince me, not just spouting your own philosophy.

And don’t forget to tie it back into the “sovereignty” topic.


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I'll give you 3 reasons:

1. You are commenting on my thread.
2. This thread is in the "Christian Debate Forums" category, not the "I'll belch out my opinion without any reasoning" category.
3. 1 Pet 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

If you do actually read my response, where I've done as I've asked you to do, you might notice that giving an answer for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and respect, is tied directly to the idea that it serves to sanctify Christ as Lord in our hearts.

The corollary would be that if you DON'T give an answer for the hope that is in you, still with gentleness and respect, you are NOT sanctifying Christ as Lord in your heart...or that you have no hope in you. If that's the case, let's talk about it in more detail.

 

3 answers. You get to choose the one you like (or all of them, if applicable)):

1. Maybe you can tell me what part of my attitude would lead you to think I'm the Devil.
2. I'm humbled that you put me in the same category as Jesus, when the pharisees said He did miracles by the power of Beelzebub, though I haven't done any miracles. Is reasoning only possible because of the Devil's power??
3. Are you suggesting that Peter was saying we only give an answer, with gentleness and respect, to those that are already believers, since everyone else is "of the Devil"? Is that the result of your doctrine, that only believers are allowed to hear the gospel? Of what use, then, is the gospel?? It sounds like you think it has no power to save. [Rom 1:16 KJV] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

Let's pretend for just a moment that I'm not a Calvinist, but I'm asking questions about how Calvinism works, since this forum is for debating between Arminianism and Calvinism?. Are you saying that because I'm not already a Calvinist, then you won't "be ready in season and out to give an answer for the hope that lies within you"?

Not only does one have to be saved, in your theological background, in order to be saved, but one has to already be a Calvinist in order to become a Calvinist???

You might be right that we have nothing in common, since I believe God sent Jesus Christ in the flesh to die so that men might live forever.

Nevertheless, I feel I have a duty to share the truth of the gospel with you, despite how little we have in common.

 

Which also means that any discussion is useless, if I HAVE already grasped the truth of Amillenialism and Calvinism.

Which profoundly illustrates what I’ve come to understand about Calvinism: that it is a useless doctrine, at least the 5 points part of it. It only helps those who don’t need help.

But despite our disagreement about the doctrine, I don’t think the discussion is useless.

The sick are the ones that need a physician. And that fits very well with my proposed concept of sovereignty!


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I tried hanging out with calvinists for 15 years. They were good Christians. Most loved the Lord, but when I asked my pastor (one of those Calvinists) a question, he had to throw off Calvinism to give me a straight answer. He was honest.

You, however are not as mature as he was, since you can’t give me a straight answer, but you’re not willing to throw off the Calvinism for a minute.


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