DEAD MEANS DEAD!

you don't need to gather all the verses that mention death, but all the passages of scripture relating to death, and understanding them in context.

Why is it you reject the finality of "death" in the fall of man, and regarding having a free will, but interpret death, at your convenience, as a final state. Soul sleep never was and never will be a part of scripture.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Claudia, Your allegations are false.
First, I wouldn't trust anything written by that false prophet Ellen G. White. If you are going to post here do not post her literature. Do not post from the Great Controversy.
Secondly the doctrine of the immortality of the soul is clearly taught in 1Cor.15. Study the Bible rather than Ellen G. White's literature and you will be a lot less confused.
DHK

 

Claudia, those are very interesting thoughts but not very theological in that they are all one dimensional.

Death can be separation, death can be a spiritual condition, death can be the loss of breath, and death can be a state of being.

In Revelation 20:13 and the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Notice that "death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them" How could a person end up in hell dead if he were not dead?

The rich man and Lazarus is not a parable please show me any parable where Jesus named a person by name.

All parables are miniature mysteries defining a spiritual dimension of the kingdom of God and that is why you constantly see the disciples coming to Christ and asking for an interpretation of what he said. There is no such dialog in Luke 16 for there is nothing to suggest that it is not a story of truth and that the rich man is not named because of family and friends.

If you choose to believe the way you do that is fine with me but when I die my spirit will go to be with the Lord who gave it to me.

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

My spirit and my soul will be in heaven with my Lord awaiting the resurrection of my dead and corrupted body. I am glad I am born again because my original body ain't gonna make it out alive.

 

Claudia, I was not aware that you are SDA. You certainly must be thick skinned to post on this board. That would explain the random scrptures taken out of context.

 

No matter what Bible verses you use, she will interpret them through the lens of a Seventh-Day Adventist. I ran into something similar in 1999, when I had a heated discussion with a follower of Herbert Armstrong. No matter what Bible verses I quoted to refute Armstrong's teachings, he would reinterpret the passages to make them fit what Armstrong taught.

 

Yes that is easy to do in short order. This is also easy to do on this BB. Where the missleading takes places is looking at one part of a passage. Yet I have found when you take the misleader to the beginning of the book and get the flow of the subject, false teachings fall to the truth. Armstrong and White and JW build doctrine on misleading others on a few verses, and using KEY words in the right places. It takes time, and is a task hard to undertake, but if you MAKE them stick to the subject of the book, they will have to acknowledge the truth.

In Christ..James

 

C'mon, Claudia! Just because we Protestants believe in a conscious afterlife doesn't mean we're a bunch of New Age spirit channelers. Where did you get that idea?

Oh, wait a minute! I'm getting a message. It's from Adolf Hitler: "Ah am coming back und zis time, no more Mr. Nice Guy!"

I'm getting one more message: "This is Peter Jennings reporting. Good night."

It just astounds me that you think we're a bunch of spirit channelers.

 

Jarthur001: It takes time, and is a task hard to undertake, but if you MAKE them stick to the subject of the book, they will have to acknowledge the truth.

In Christ..James

Hi James,
Are you absolutely sure it will work? I have been trying to do that with those of many persuasions for years and found it to be a very rare occurrence.

Sad but true, there are a lot of stiff necked individuals out there that will never listen to reason and consequently will never change their minds. Jeremiah’s congregation was evidently all like that. Duty is ours, the results belong to the Lord.

 

Claudia: The same with a soul. There's your body and there's your spirit. All your spirit is... is the breath of life.... and the Body plus the Spirit equals the Soul.
See here?? dust (body) plus breath equals the soul...

HP: Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What does the Spirit of Christ consist of, and where does it reside? If Scripture tells us that we are not 'of the flesh,' what are we of and where do we reside?

 

Hi HP..

Sometimes its not what they say, its what they will not say. You can see it in their eyes. There is no need to PUSH them. Layout the truth and Let God work in their heart.

I love when JWs come to me house for a bible study. I always say yes. When they come back next week...i pull out my Bible and say...ok this is my house I will lead the study. I can start in nearly any book, and if I go though the whole book, within 3 weeks you will see a change.

They try to jump off the path. I make them read the text ..and ask them what it says. They will say, yes but John says this.

I say..We will study John if you want...but what does this say?

They say...But mark says this.
I say... After we are done with this book, we will study John or Mark or any book you want. What does this book say?

Am I absolutely sure? I do not do the work. I only share. It is God that works in hearts. Yet i know that the one power that I have in my hands that i can place in the hands of another person is Gods Word. Now other groups read the Bible too. But this is always mixxed with another source. The best way I can help is to place the book in their hands..stay there with them as they read....ask them what it means...not let them pull from other sources...MAKE them read the Bible and only the Bible.

At that point..its up to God. But it works better then anything else i have tried.

 

James,
I like your approach! I will remember that one. I always approach the JW’s by sharing my personal testimony as to what the Lord has done in my life and my present hope of eternal life, and ask them to tell me what God has done for them and what is their eternal hope at this time. As the nervousness sets in upon them, I sometimes query them as the scholarship of those that translated the version of Scripture they use. Of course they have no idea even who they were, due to those responsible translating it are ‘anonymous.’ How convenient. Instead of them coming to my house, I have tried inviting myself to theirs. So far none have given me their address or phone number.

In the past I read their literature in order to understand the error better, but having done that once, it was enough. I usually offered them a deal, I will read yours and discuss it with you, if you will read mine and discuss it with me. I never had a taker.
Consequently I kindly refuse to read any of their literature either.

 

The last JW that came to my house we started discussing the Scripture and they go so mad they went down my driveway swinging their fists at me and I hollowed at them the Bible says "to get anger but sin not". They for some reason don't visit me anymore.

 

I posted this back on page one, and have had no takers so far. Anyone desire to tackle this post?

The word 'dead' is indeed an interesting word. Some think that to be dead is dead, and that it is a no-brainer to understand that. I for one feel that might not be the case in all uses of the word.

Some say that Scripture teaches that we were ‘dead in our trespasses and sins,’ and that is to be interpreted that it was ‘impossible’ for us to do anything other than sin. If we take that definition of ‘dead’, and apply it to being ‘dead indeed to sin’ as believers, would it be consistent and correct to conclude that it is impossible for believers to sin, just as being dead before we became believers is believed to imply that it was ‘impossible’ to do anything other than to sin?