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Jesus VS today’s gospel of the kingdom

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Aug 8, 2020.

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    Ezekiel does not say this. You are delving into false prophecy.
     
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    I don't know what you are talking about. By your logic, I suppose that you are an apostate from Islam.
     
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    That is illogical in my opinion. When a train is pulling out of a depot, you are either on the train or you are not on the train.
     
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    It is also dishonest to call a doctrine orthodox, when it clearly isn't. Truth isn't truth unless it's completely true. Partial truth is not truth at all.
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    What does Paul mean when he says the same as I do?

    “Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (NCPB)
     
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    39.34 ἀνίσταμαιe; ἐπανίσταμαι; στάσιςa, εως f; ἐπίστασιςb, εως f; ἀποστασία, ας f; ἀκαταστασίαa, ας f: to rise up in open defiance of authority, with the presumed intention to overthrow it or to act in complete opposition to its demands—‘to rebel against, to revolt, to engage in insurrection, rebellion.’6ἀνίσταμαιe: πρὸ γὰρ τούτων τῶν ἡμερῶν ἀνέστη Θευδᾶς … καὶ ἐγένοντο εἰς οὐδέν ‘some time ago Theudas rebelled … but they came to nothing’ or ‘… the movement died out’ Ac 5:36.
    Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 495). New York: United Bible Societies.
     
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    Where does it state that sacrificial system a sin forgiving of sins established again then?
     
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    yet to hepper future time when vast parts of the professing Christendom go apostate!
     
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    He equates one holding to Dispy premil, or even premil period as being about same as denying Jesus is God!
     
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    Ezekiel mentions it in describing the temple. It's the real deal, not commemorative as Dispies claim. The Sacrifices of the Prince
     
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    It already happened but the worst is yet to come.
     
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    Yet to come in fulness!
     
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    You reject the gospel of the kingdom and accept the Pharisee's version.
     
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    I accept the premil of Jesus, Paul, John and many of the ECF!
     
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    It's a different Jesus. You cannot reject the kingdom and follow the king.
     
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    He is talking about apostasy on the Christian church.
     
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    The train left the station.
     
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    I used to think so, too. But many of the sacrifices were times of rejoicing and sharing of meals. The sacrificial system was what was supposed to sustain the Levitic tribe.

    I don't necessarily recommend RJ Rushdoony for everything he said, but he gave a compelling reason for sacrifices, even in a post-DBR-of-Jesus-world that made some sense.
    And in fact, many preachers before the present day (and still in rural areas and in other countries) were not just given money, but were given a portion of people's produce and meat in order to have what they needed to feed their families.

    Do I see improvement in America in the future? I'm having a hard time doing so. But there are some interesting things that are happening due to the COVID 19 shutdowns and the George Floyd and Antifa riots. For instance:
    • Many parents are now seeing their children and discipling them to a much greater degree now that they are not at school or other activities so much of the time. (Which reminds me that Jesus said Elijah will indeed come first, turning the hearts of the fathers to their children and children to their fathers. Matt 17:11 and Mal 4:6)
    • Churches are meeting in smaller groups, where it is easier to get to know each other and stay accountable and be available to help in time of need. (Ex 18:25)
    • There have been a number of people that have been asking their neighbors about their faith because of the disconcerting events. (1 Pet 3:15)
    • I'm not sure it is always a benefit for people to turn to the republican party for answers, but I think in many cities where rioters have been allowed to do their damage, many are either fleeing the cities or are seriously questioning the democrat policies. (1 Cor 6:9-10)
     
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    What do you mean a different Jesus?
     
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    Yes, inquiring minds want to know.
     
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