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To be children of the promise who are ambassadors of reconciliation. Are you clueless about this truth?

 

Everything you place o the board is nonsense As I should say you don't know what you are talking about.
MB

 

. Not even one verse says Gentiles are elect. Your just building straw men .
MB

 

You are stating hyperbole with no substance. Do we need to revisit all of John 12 so you can walk through and see why your interpretation of one sentence is inaccurate?

 

Wrong again. You debate like a JW
MB

 

Again with the hyperbole and no substance. It seems you have no desire to honestly observe John 12. So be it.

 

Calvinist are not ambassadors of reconciliation because you do not preach the gospel leading people to Christ, You don't believe it would do any good. You believe all that will be saved will be saved no matter whether they hear the gospel or not. No matter whether they resist or not. God just zaps them with saving grace.
By the way if you are elect Prove it.
MB

 

The Philippian jailer was a Gentile...
Philippi is in Greece.
So was Lydia, a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira...which is in present day Turkey.

Read Acts of the Apostles 16, MB.
It's all there.

Now for the important part...
He tells the believers at Philippi, this valuable truth:

" being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:" ( Philippians 1:6 ).

This tells me that God began a good work in them, and will perform that work until the day of Christ.
When the Lord starts something, He finishes it.
I also notice that it does not say that God began the work, and we helped Him.

Reading further, I see this:

" For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;" ( Philippians 1:29 ).

Look at it carefully, MB.
It clearly says that it was given to them to believe.

Also know that anything that is given to someone makes what is given, a gift ( see Romans 6:23 ).
Therefore, if the gift is not given, it cannot be received.
Please see John 1:11-13 for who received God's gift, and why.

So...
Being that it's given by someone in the behalf of Christ, to believe on Christ,
Then there is only one more thing that must be answered...

Who gave it to them?

 

Why debate with you any longer. I'd rather die than be a Calvinist.
MB

 

Respectfully, MB,
it seems you have not been believing what many of the "Calvinists" on this forum have been telling you:

1) Speaking for myself, I'm a Christian ( not a "Calvinist" ), one of Christ's sheep who have believed on Him for the forgiveness of my sins.
I don't teach anything other than what the Lord Jesus, Peter and Paul explicitly wrote.

2) Those you call "Calvinists" do not preach that people can "get saved" by an act of their will.
They preach God's grace to sinners, and whosoever believes on Him will be saved.

See 1 Corinthians 15:1-6 for what the Gospel, at its core, actually is.

We believe that it does exactly what it is intended to do...
Notify the children of God of their gift of eternal life.

We preach Christ crucified for sinners, sir,
and I maintain that anyone who is truly a preacher of God's Gospel will never preach anything else to the masses.

After that, we preach the contents of the epistles to those who have believed and been baptized.

 

Time and again I see this sort of comment on this forum,
and it sets me back me every time I read it, MB.

If you please...

I ask that you lay aside this charge,
and your accusations aimed at those that you call "Calvinists" , of teaching that people will be saved apart from God's Gospel.
It is simply not true, sir, and it never was.

The Gospel is God's message of salvation, and preaching is His means.
Please see Romans 10 and 1 Corinthians 1:21.

It is literally aimed at the whosoever believeth.

According to God's word ( Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18 and various Psalms ), we resist His words quite well.
That's why we need His help to even listen to them without rejecting them out of habit.

Amazing, isn't it?
That's why John Newton, a "Calvinist", wrote probably the most well-known hymn in existence...

Amazing Grace.

Are you saying that you're not one of the elect?
But...

You're one of the "whosoever believeth" ( John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24, John 6:40, John 11:25-27 ), are you not?
If so, then you are, indeed, one of God's elect, MB...

And no matter how much you fight it,
your heavenly Father has quite literally dragged you into a relationship with Him and His Son for all of eternity.

 

Another insightful explanation of what Calvinists believe by a non-Calvinist who is busy working his way into heaven by earning God’s love. (One tired old strawman deserves another to keep it company.)

 

(Gal. 3:23) Paul is referencing 'we Jews'. "we were kept under the law'.

(Gal. 3:24) Paul is referencing Jews. "the law was our schoolmaster...that we might be justified by faith"

(Gal. 3:25) Paul is referencing Jews. "after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

(Gal. 3:26-29) Paul is referencing Gentiles. "For ye are all the children of god by faith in Christ Jesus"

(Gal. 4:1-2) Paul is referencing both Jew and Gentile. "the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant.

(Gal. 4:3-5) Paul is referencing Jews under the law. "when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world."

(Gal. 4:6) Paul is referencing Gentile believers. "because ye are sons".

Of course believers are children/sons of God. But, until they believe, they are not saved. They are elect, yes. They will be saved, yes. But until they exercise faith in Christ, they are lost.

They were chosen before the foundation of the world. The are not saved till they exercise faith in Christ.

Concerning 'reconciliation' God reconciled the whole world to Himself. (2 Cor. 5:19) That doesn't make the whole world saved.

I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Election assures who will be saved. Salvation of that one to be saved begins with their faith in Christ.

Quantrill

 

All who are saved are elect. Including Gentiles. (Col. 3:12)

Election is most surely assurance that on will be saved.

Quantrill

 

Can you prove your elect? Col 3:12 says nothing about election
MB

 

Who is this letter written to, MB?
" to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ." ( Romans 1:7 ).

Who is described here?
" [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ( Romans 8:1 ).


In the same chapter, referring to the very same people, Paul tells us:

" What shall we then say to these things? If God [be] for us, who [can be] against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? [It is] God that justifieth" ( Romans 8:31-33 ).

With these things in mind, do you not see that all believers in Jesus Christ are God's elect?