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  1. Alofa Atu

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    Who was the Sabbath made for according to scripture?

    Yes, there is an Adam at Genesis, but it is really the greater Adam:

    Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

    Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

    Rom_5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    Rom_5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.​

    Did you see who the Sabbath was made for?
     
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    The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

    Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

    Exodus 16:23 - "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD', 'to day' [… the LORD … day …]

    Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [.,. the LORD … day …]

    Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

    Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

    Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

    Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

    Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

    Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

    Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [… the LORD … [day] …]

    Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [… [the LORD's] … day …]

    Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

    Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

    Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [… the Lord … day …]

    Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [… the Lord … day …]

    Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [… the Lord … [day] …]

    Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

    The Phrase "the Lord's day" is found in use in the OT, as shown from Isaiah 58:13, etc. John is not making up any novel (new) idea, but the Holy Ghost is inspiring and citing from the OT scriptures, as is done all over Revelation 1. Called an "epanados" or Chiasm:

    (1) Isaiah 55:4 --> Revelation 1:5 (Witness)

    (2) Daniel 7:13 --> Revelation 1:7 (Coming with Clouds of angels)

    (3) Zechariah 12:10-14 --> Revelation 1:7 (Pierced and Wail)

    (4) Isaiah 41:4,6 --> Revelation 1:8 (I AM)

    (4) Isaiah 41:4,6 --> Revelation 1:11 (I AM)

    (3) Zechariah 4:2 --> Revelation 1:12 (Candlestick, Sanctuary, HolyPlace)

    (2) Daniel 7:9,13,22 --> Revelation 1:13-15 (Priest)

    (1) Isaiah 49:2 --> Revelation 1:16 (Sharp Sword)

    Revelation 1:10 is simply citing Isaiah 58:13 in the midst of the parallelism from the OT.

    Isaiah 58:13

    KJB - "... my [context, the LORD's] holy day ..."

    CJB - “... Adonai’s holy day ..."

    ERV - "... the Lord’s special day ..."

    EXB - “... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    GW - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    ICB - “... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    ISV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    TLB - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    MSG - "... God’s holy day ..."

    NOG - "... Yahweh’s holy day ..."

    NABRE - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NCV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NET - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NIRV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NIV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NIVUK - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    NLT - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

    TPT - "... Yahweh’s holy day ..."
     
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    Further, we can see some honest persons, among the many commentators that like to simply assume their apriori into the text, or to place future definition back into the text, from non-scriptural materials.

    Peter Pett's commentary makes this accurate note:

    "... Sunday is not called ‘the Lord’s day’ (he kyriake hemera) anywhere in Scripture ..." .

    Dr. Thomas Constable likewise states the same truth:

    "... The New Testament writers never called Sunday the Lord"s day elsewhere in Scripture. ..." .

    Richard Chenevix Trench has stated on record, and accurately that:

    "... “Some have assumed, from this passage, that ἡμέρα κυριακή was a designation of Sunday already familiar among Christians. This, however, seems a mistake ..." .

    Likewise, Foy E Wallace states:

    "... It is not a reference to the first day of the week ..." .

    The context shows that the "day" spoken of, in each texts presented is "the LORD('s)". John as a physical Jew, who was following the Messiah (Jesus), thus a Christian, was on the Isle of Patmos, for what reason?

    Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

    Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

    It is even given in other places:

    Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

    What is this "word of God" and the "testimony/witness of Jesus"? We do not have to in any way guess, for John tells us in parallel fashion:

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

    This is found way back in the OT:

    Deu_4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.​

    So, when John references "the Lord's day", it is in the context of "the word of God", which are God's Commandments. Well, which commandment then? Again, we do not have to guess, for John tells us:

    Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​

    What specific commandment, was John citing? The 4th Commandment, specifically, Exodus 20:11,

    Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

    The whole Commandment:

    Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

    That little word "of" is possessive. Thus when God speaks, by His own voice, the He (the LORD) has chosen a specific (definite article) "day", it is thus "the LORD('s) ... day", being His sabbath, the 7th day, from the foundation of the world in Genesis 2:1-3,4, where therein it is "God('s; the LORD's) ... day".

    The "word of God" = God's commandments:

    Isa_1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.​

    and the "testimony of Jesus" is the Spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10), and as found all throughout scripture:

    2Ki_17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.

    Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

    Psa_78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children

    Pro_29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
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    Isa_8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

    Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    Lam_2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

    Eze_7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.

    Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;​

    Therefore, notice again the connection of the Apostle and prophet John, who receives a "vision", in connection with keeping God's commandments, and was resting specifically on "the LORD's day":

    Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​

    The Law (Lord's day) and the testimony (spirit of prophecy) again are witnessed therein in its proper context.

    It always speaks of the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD, His holy day.

    Line upon line, and no need for a single non-scriptural source to re-define by the man of sin's tradition."
     
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    Nowhere in the Bible was the sabbath kept prior to Moses. Abe, no. Isaac, no. Noah, no. Job, no. Nobody. Nowhere in the New Testament is the sabbath mandated. Nowhere.


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    Hebrews 4 disagrees with you (context upon request).

    John 14:15, citing Exodus 20:6 disagrees with you.

    Acts 15:15-18,21, citing Amos 9:11-12, &c disagrees with you.

    Revelation 14:6-12, citing Exodus 20:11, disagrees with you.

    Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, disagrees with you.

    Mark 2:27-28 disagrees with you.

    Genesis 18:19, 26:5 disagrees with you.

    2 Peter 2:5; Psalms 119:172 disagrees with you.

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

    Genesis 2:1-3; (see also, Genesis 18:19, 26:5, &c.)​

    The sabbath commandment in the beginning with God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Psalms 119:142).
    The sabbath commandment with Adam (Mark 2:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).
    The sabbath commandment with Enoch (Genesis 5:22,24; Hebrews 11:5; Isaiah 58:13)
    The sabbath commandment with Noah (Genesis 6:9; 2 Peter 2:5; Psalms 119:172).
    The sabbath commandment with Eber (Genesis 10:21,24-25; Exodus 3:18, 5:3, 7:16).
    The sabbath commandment with Abraham (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5; 2 Chronicles 20:7; Isaiah 41:8; James 2:23; John 15:14).
    The sabbath commandment with Isaac (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5).
    The sabbath commandment with Jacob/Israel (Genesis 17:9, 18:19, 26:5, 32:28).
    The sabbath commandment with Moses (Exodus 5:4-5;, 16:1-36, 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15, 31:12-18). ...
    The sabbath commandment with Jesus (Luke 4:16-19).
    The sabbath commandment with the Apostles/Disciples (Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; Revelation 1:10, 10:6, 12:17, 14:6-7)
    The sabbath commandment with us today (Hebrews 4:9; Revelation 12:17, 14:6-7; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6,8-11).
    The sabbath commandment on into eternity (Isaiah 66:23).​

    Exodus
    5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3
    Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2
    Numbers 15:32, 28:9
    Deuteronomy 5:12-15
    2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18
    1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31
    2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3
    Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22
    Psalms 92:1, 146:6
    Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23
    Jeremiah 17:21-27
    Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12
    Amos 8:5​

    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:


    Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

    Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

    Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

    John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;

    Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;​

    Additional references are:

    John 12:1 (six days before the Passover, Jesus was at Lazarus' house, on Sabbath)

    Hebrews 3:11, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; [Hebrews 4:9 "rest" Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

    Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ],

    Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7];

    Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc​
     
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    “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
    ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬
    What? Lol


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    As it is written, you do not know the scriptures ...

    Yes, Noah "walked with God", was a "just man", and "perfect in his generations". What do those things mean according to scripture, line upon line:

    2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

    Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

    Pro_21:15 It is joy to the just to do judgment: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.​

    Thus to be a 'just man', Noah did the "judgment" of the LORD (which are His commandments; Psalms 111:7, 119:66) and did not practice "iniquity" (Sin, which is the transgression of the Law of God, 1 John 3:4).

    Noah walked with God, and how does God walk, even Jesus? He works 6 days and rests the 7th, even from Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, &c and even in the NT.

    Luk 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
    Luk 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
    Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
    Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
    Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
    Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
    Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

    1Jn_2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    Col_2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

    1Jn_3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

    Luk_13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

    Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.​

    Thus as Noah walked in the past with God (even Jesus, by the Holy Ghost), he kept the Sabbath of the LORD, preaching and doing righteousness, being just and "perfect", as it is written:

    Mat_5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.​

    Jesus, followed His Father's pattern/custom in walking.

    Joh_5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.​

    Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
    Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
    Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
    Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
    Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
    Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
    Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
    Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
    Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.​

    Noah was a "preacher of righteousness". The Bible states that all of God's commandments are "righteousness", because they are the written transcript of God's own character, Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-7.

    You have not rightly understood the scriptures., neither understand what it means to "walk with God", who does not change, working six days and keeping the 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD from the beginning, unto the everlasting.

    Psa 102:27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

    Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
    Thus the entire point of Hebrews 4 also.
     
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    Gobbledygook


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    Is that the 'final form' of "Jabberwocky" or his cousin?
     
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    Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

    Genesis 1:5 (Masoretes Hebrew) יום אחד׃ (Transliterated) yôm echäd f
    Matthew 28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn
    Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn
    Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
    Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
    Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn
    Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn
    1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn​

    That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

    Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

    The body of believers may gather on any and every day with no injunction anywhere found in scripture against such, and in truth they met "daily", "continually", etc (Mat 26:55; Mar 14:49; Luk 22:53, 24:33,36; Acts 19:9) and likewise among the followers of Jesus Christ (Luk 24:51,53; Acts 1:3,9, 2:46-47, 5:42, 6:1, 16:5, 17:11,17; Heb 3:13, etc), yet none of that takes the place of the Christians duty to honour God in all His commandments, including the commandment which shows the very God of Creation/Redemption as the true LORD God.
     
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    Posting what the underlying text says in their language is "Exegetical Gymnastics"?

    Here is a listing of 'reasons' given for not Honouring the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) of God:

    Calendar has been Changed
    Christ is the End of the Law ...
    Early Church Fathers Citations
    Every Day is Holy
    History of the Church
    International Dateline (Dayline)
    Jesus Broke the Sabbath
    Jesus Fulfilled the Law
    Jesus Kept the Sabbath for me, so I do not now have to
    Jesus Nailed the Sabbath to the Cross
    Jesus is my Sabbath
    Jesus Rose from the Dead on the First Day of the Week, Ending the Sabbath
    Jesus Rose from the Dead on the First Day of the Week, Making it the New Sabbath
    Livelihood - gotta keep my job to put food on the table
    Lunar sabbaths
    Nine Commandments Found in the New Testament, but not Sabbath
    No Commandment in Genesis to keep the Sabbath
    No Commandment in the New Testament to keep the Sabbath
    No Commandment to Keep the Sabbath until Exodus 20
    No Evening and Morning on the 7th Day in Genesis
    No Man Kept Sabbath until Moses
    No Word Sabbath in Genesis
    Not to Judge about Sabbath Keeping
    Not Under the Law but Under Grace
    Not Under the Old Covenant (which they say is the Ten Commandments)
    One Day in Seven Is Holy
    Only Two Commandments to Keep Now
    Sabbath was Changed to the LORD's Day (which they say is the first day)
    Sabbath was only for the Hebrews
    Sabbath was only for the Israelites
    Sabbath was only for the Jews
    Sabbath was only temporary
    Seventh Day Sabbath cannot be Kept on the International Space Station
    Seventh Day Sabbath cannot be Kept on the Poles (North & South)
    Seventh Day Sabbath cannot be Kept on a Submarine
    Seventh Day Sabbath was a Shadow of Things to Come
    Stone the Sabbath Breaker
    Sunday is the LORD's Day
    Sunday is the New Order of Sabbaths (Mat. 28:1)
    Sunday is the Sabbath
    Time has been Lost
    Tradition of the Churches
    Under the New Covenant (which they say does not include the Ten Commandments)
    We are in the New Creation, the 8th Day (Ogdoad)​

    What is your personal 'reason' as listed above (or if not listed, please list it so it may be added), and does anyone see any contradictions concerning the above 'reasons'?

    Playlist about Sabbath in Bible and History:

     
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    Study these texts carefully, word for word, and you'll see why I am the way I am.

    Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

    Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​
     
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    Nothing in their mandates sabbath keepin for church members


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