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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Jan 2, 2021.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    Peter addresses his letter (1 Peter) "To God's elect." To be elected is to be chosen. Christ was Chosen and all those "in Him" are chosen by God. When God formulated His plan of redemption, He chose His Redeemer, and as a consequence, chose corporately anyone subsequently redeemed. During our lifetime, God chooses us as specific individuals and baptizes us into Christ, thereby setting us apart, and thus “in Christ” we are saints.

    Paul addresses his letter (Romans) to those "called to be saints." Saint, like sanctify means to be set apart, so those that respond to (gladly receive) the gospel are those called to be saints. When God chooses them, He sanctifies them, sets them apart.

    Paul addresses his letter (1 Corinthians) to "those sanctified in Christ Jesus." So to be chosen as one of God's elect, we are set apart in Christ Jesus.

    Paul addresses his letter (2 Corinthians) to "all the saints" in the area. So again referring to those that heard the gospel and believed in Jesus Christ, and whose faith God crediting as righteousness, and therefore set apart in Christ.

    Paul addresses his letter (Galatians) to the church and does not specifically mention they are part of God's elect, but they are.

    Paul addresses his letter (Ephesians) to "the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus." Here we see that the saints are those who are faithful in Christ Jesus, that their faith continues and does not fall away." This is the test that all those saved must take to have confidence they are one of God's elect.

    Paul addresses his letter (Philippians) “to the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi.”

    Paul addresses his letter (Colossians) “to the holy and faithful brothers in Christ at Colosse.” Here Paul adds to our understanding of a saint, he or she is set apart from unholiness and together the saints are brothers (siblings we share the same Lord, the same Spirit, the same call to holiness) and as before we are faithful.

    Paul addresses his letter (1 Thessalonians) to the church of the Thessalonians, but adds in verse 4, “For we know, brothers loved by God, that He has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction.” The reference to power, conviction and the Holy Spirit means that Paul brought the message personally, not just via a letter. Individuals filled with the Holy Spirit have deep conviction, power and the Holy Spirit. Nothing beyond the straightforward understanding of the text is necessary for the correct understanding of the text.

    Paul addresses his letter (2 Thessalonians) to the church.

    Paul addresses his letters (1 and 2 Timothy) to his son in the faith, Timothy.

    Paul addresses his letter to Titus as follows, “Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God’s elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness – a faith and knowledge resting in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time….” Here Paul introduces several additional concepts. Paul’s job, given him by Christ, was “for the faith of God’s elect.”
    By spreading the gospel message, those that placed their faith in Christ and His gospel, would be individually chosen by God, based on His accepting their faith, becoming His elect. Paul was also teaching the Word of God so that newborn believers would gain an understanding and grow toward godliness. And finally, the faith and knowledge were based on accepting God’s promise of eternal life for whoever believes in His Son. God’s predetermined plan, which contained the promise of salvation for whoever believes in the name of Jesus, was established before time began.

    Jude addressed his letter (Jude) “to those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ.” Here, again, we see that those who accepted the gospel (those called) are kept by Jesus Christ. We have been set apart and nothing can pluck us out of God’s hand. We do not sustain our salvation through the power of our faith, we are kept by the power of God who protects our faith. Thus saints are faithful, not perhaps in their walk, because we stumble, but in our devotion to Christ Jesus.

    In summary, sanctification refers to more than one activity: (1) being set apart, our individual election; (2) being guided by our indwelt Holy Spirit into godliness, the sanctification process that conforms us to the image of His Son; and (3) our bodily resurrection.

    With reference to the first usage of the term (positional sanctification), our election occurs when we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit which means we are chosen by God, based on His crediting our faith in His Son, and then baptized into the body of Christ where we are converted and then as a new creature indwelt with the Spirit of God. As we live our born again life, we undergo progressive sanctification, where we mature as Christians, becoming more Christ-like, and serve Him as ambassadors, earning eternal rewards. Ultimate sanctification will occur when we are bodily resurrected in glorified bodies, free of our corrupt flesh.
     
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    No...taint so.:Cautious:Cautious:Cautious
     
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    Respectfully, I disagree.
    To the first highlighted section, please see Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-6 and most of John 6 as well as John 17:2 and many others.

    According to the Scriptures,
    Election occurs independently of any action on our part as sinful men ( Romans 8:28-30, Romans 9:14-24, Ephesians 1:4-6, Ephesians 2:8-10 ), which is what makes it all of grace ( Romans 4:4, Romans 11:5-6 ).
    It occurred when the Lord chose us "in Him" before the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 1:4 )
    God gave His Son a people ( John 6:37-47, John 6:64-65 ), and His Son then gives those people eternal life ( John 17:2-3 ).

    After being chosen, they are then called by the Gospel ( good news ) of their salvation ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 ),
    which is then believed and confessed before men.
    After belief of that Gospel, they are then indwelt by the Holy Spirit and sealed ( Ephesians 1:13 ) to the day of their bodily redemption ( Romans 8:23, Ephesians 4:30 ).

    Yet they are the sons of God and always have been ( Ephesians 2:1-10, Romans 8:1-17 ), as they are vessels of mercy afore prepared to glory ( Romans 9:23 ).


    To the underlined, please see 2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 3:5-7 as examples for God choosing people to salvation apart from their faith...
    Faith in Christ and a heartfelt trust of God's promises follows God's choice and the gift of the new birth, they do not precede it.
    God's will to save a people for Himself and to grant them the new birth by which they can then drawn near to the Lord, is carried out independent of our will as men ( John 1:13, James 1:18 ).

    I agree with the last highlighted sentence.



    Because of God's unmerited favor through electing grace, His saints will then praise Him for all eternity for saving them from His wrath and to a place at His table, and to enjoy the comfort of His love and His many good gifts...
    Gifts such as a pain-free and glorious body that is void of the taint of sin, which their old one previously had.

    Truly salvation is by grace through faith, and all of His people shall praise Him for being made His saints in Christ Jesus ( Ephesians 2:10 ).:)
     
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    Still just trying to wrest the Scriptures into saying we elect ourselves. You keep putting God's work in passive terms. We do something, then become elect, like jumping into water and getting wet.
     
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    The fact remains that 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes Ephesians 1:4 from being an individual election, otherwise we would have always been a chosen people who had received mercy.

    Biblical fact #1 - individuals are chosen through (or by reason of) faith in the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:13

    Biblical fact #2 - to be saved through faith means faith was the means by which salvation was obtained.
    Those that say first salvation, then faith, have no way to explain how salvation can be through or by means of faith, if our faith did not exist to be the reason for being chosen for salvation.
     
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    In summary, sanctification refers to more than one activity: (1) being set apart, our individual election; (2) being guided by our indwelt Holy Spirit into godliness, the sanctification process that conforms us to the image of His Son; and (3) our bodily resurrection. The three facets of salvation are : Positional sanctification, Progressive Sanctification and Ultimate Sanctification.

    With reference to the first usage of the term (positional sanctification), our election occurs when we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit which means we are chosen by God, based on His crediting our faith in His Son, and then baptized into the body of Christ where we are converted and then as a new creature indwelt with the Spirit of God. As we live our born again life, we undergo progressive sanctification, where we mature as Christians, becoming more Christ-like, and serve Him as ambassadors, earning eternal rewards. Ultimate sanctification will occur when we are bodily resurrected in glorified bodies, free of our corrupt flesh.
     
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    Your continual misunderstanding of this does not change the truth which still eludes you.
     
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    Yet another you you you post devoid of topical content. This is all they have folks, taint so and Van is rotten for saying so.

    The truth remains that 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes Ephesians 1:4 from being an individual election, otherwise we would have always been a chosen people who had received mercy.
     
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    Exactly...;)

    " and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
    24 even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" ( Romans 9:23-24 ).

    " who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began," ( 2 Timothy 1:9 ).

    Also see Acts of the Apostles 13:48, Romans 8:28-30, John 6:65 and John 17:2 as examples.
     
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    Then their choosing was merited by their faith, wasn't it?

    If it was through faith ( instead of by reason of it ), then faith was involved;
    Yet it did not function as the reason, but as benefit of "by-product" and a gift that accompanies being saved by the grace of God.
    See my above.
    To me, what you're describing is being saved by ( because of, by reason of ) faith, not through ( it being involved or associated with ) it.


    Good afternoon to you, sir.
     
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    Van,
    Some among Israel were elected, but here is a newsflash Van....Israel had to form as a nation in order for any to be saved.
    Because God has elected each individual before the world was,they have to be born physically before they can be effectually drawn by the Spirit of God.
    That you deny God was active before creation is an issue that you need to come to grips with.
    We do not follow your often repeated imaginations because you have taken the wrong fork in the road .
    Start the new year off fresh , a fresh look at the doctrines of grace. Do not just keep reading your own posts over and over, and repeating the same error. The "folks" have stopped reading them years ago.
     
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    Good afternoon to you Sir. :)
     
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    Not necessarily. Not even if God were a man. But God not a man and is eternal, not temporal, and His purposes according to election are also eternal. It was always to be so. Christ is called the Lamb Slain from the foundation of the world, despite the fact that the Crucifixion was worked out in time some 4000 years later. He is not known as the Lamb to be slain from the foundation of the world, but the Lamb Slain. From eternity, He was the Lamb Slain. So eternally, we have always been a chosen people who had received mercy, even though from our temporal vantage point, there is a specific time and date that each individual obtained mercy.

    Even now we are raised with Christ and made to sit together in heavenly places Ephesians 2:6, though it hasn't yet been worked out in time.

    So far from proving your point, this verse actually undoes you. It doesn't say we are chosen by or through faith. It says we are chosen to or for salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith, not God's choice. His choices are by His will only, not due to any merit or lack thereof in the elect, as in the case of Jacob and Esau.
     
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    Nonsense

    The truth remains that 1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes Ephesians 1:4 from being an individual election, otherwise we would have always been a chosen people who had received mercy.
     
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    Yes, Van...

    It's called grace.
    Not of works, lest any man should boast ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ).
    That is what individual, unconditional election is.

    Let's compare...

    God relying on man's choice = Totally merited favor with God, with the person making the right choice being rewarded with eternal life.
    Why?
    Because they made the right choice, and the other person didn't.
    Do you see any occasion of boasting in that?
    I do.
    In fact, the person who made the right choice gains a huge advantage over the person who didn't.
    "Law of the jungle" / "Survival of the fittest-smartest-wisest" affirmed.

    God relying on His own choice = Totally unmerited favor with God, with the person making the right choice having already been chosen by God ( Psalms 65:4, Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 ) and eternal life being a gift ( Romans 6:23 ).
    Why?
    Because God did the choosing, not us.
    Do you see any occasion for boasting in that?
    I don't.
    In fact, the person who "made the right choice" gains no advantage over the person who didn't.
    "Law of the jungle" / "Survival of the fittest-smartest- wisest " denied ( 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 ).


    Here it is again, Van...
    The simplicity of Christ is that salvation is all of God and none of us.
    Saints are saints by God's making ( Ephesians 1:6, Ephesians 2:6, Ephesians 2:10 ), not our own making.

    We had nothing to do with it.


    I'll leave you with that and wish you well, as always.:)
     
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    :Laugh
     
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    Everyone knows, or should know we are chosen through faith in the truth, thus our individual election for salvation was conditional. 2 Thessalonians 2:13
     
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    :Laugh That's not what that verse says. You should know that, but you don't. :Laugh
     
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    Same to ya
     
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    Acts of the Apostles 20:32
    “And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

    God and God's word is able to "give the inheritance" among all those who have been set apart in Christ, for we have been born anew, as a child of God, thus we have the right to receive the inheritance of the children of God.
     
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