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Redemption

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    Before attempting to understand the biblical meaning of redemption, we need to ask, “redemption from what?” The most consistent picture is that of slaves or captives being set free from bondage after the payment of a price.

    The root meaning of the Greek words translated redeemed or redemption is loosening, with some forms of the word being combined with “apo” meaning “out from.” So the idea of the combined word is to be not only providing the price of freedom, but also the transport from captivity to someplace else, e.g. deliverance.

    The Greek word transliterated “lutrosin” (G3085) appears three times, Luke 1:68, Luke 2:38 and Hebrews 9:12.

    In Luke 1:68 we see the prophecy that God visited us and provided redemption for His people. This usage presents the idea of possible rescue and salvation from a bad situation, Right off the bat we encounter one of the difficulties in understanding "redemption" because many translation present that Christ accomplished redemption, whereas others (correctly in my opinion) present that Christ provided for the redemption of His people. If we co-mingle ransom and redemption, we create a muddle.

    Luke 2:38 references people who are “anticipating their redemption in Jerusalem."

    In Hebrews 9:12, we see that Christ through His blood procured eternal redemption. This fits the picture of being ransomed by the payment of a redemption-price. Further, this redemption is eternal; it does not have a shelf life.

    In Luke 24:21 we find "lytroō" (G3084) which is translated as "redeem." The meaning is to cause the release upon receipt of the ransom. Thus when God transfers a condemned individual from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Son, the individual is redeemed. This word also appears in Titus 2:14 and 1 Peter 1:18. Note that Jesus gave Himself up (dying on the cross) to redeem us by providing the redemption-price for our salvation.

    Jesus was both the High Priest who slays the sacrifice and then sprinkles the blood on those receiving the benefit of the sacrifice, and the sacrifice, the Lamb of God.

    Romans 3:24 says (NASB), “being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.” God’s grace can accomplish many varied things, and so Paul makes it clear that the grace being given is through or by the means of the redemption [deliverance], which is in Christ Jesus. So this verse points to receiving the benefit of Christ’s sacrifice when we are put “in Christ” rather than when He shed His precious blood on the cross. Here the Greek word rendered "redemption" is "apolytrōsis" (G629).

    Romans 8:23, here G629 is applied to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming.

    1 Corinthians 1:30 says: "But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption," (G629) Once God has redeemed us by placing us into Christ (our redemption from the domain of darkness, and thus being set apart within Christ (sanctification), we undergo the washing of regeneration and are born anew, which results in our being made the righteousness of God, we are then sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit who becomes our wisdom from God.

    Ephesians 1:7 says (NASB), “In Him we have redemption (G629) through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.” So again, only when “in Him” (within Him) do we have the gift of His redemptive grace, which sets us free from every lawless deed, the forgiveness of our trespasses.

    Ephesians 1:14 and 4:30 refer to our redemption (G629) from our corrupt flesh. But as a sidelight when we are placed spiritually into Christ, we received our eternal redemption from the bondage of sin, and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit in Christ as a pledge of our inheritance which is to be raised in glorified bodies, set free from the corruption of the flesh. Thus those within Christ have been past tense spiritually redeemed, and are predestined to be bodily redeemed at Christ's second coming.

    Next, Colossians 1:13-14 completely summarizes the biblical concept of redemption from the bondage of sin. “For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

    Hebrews 9:15: For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption (G629) of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Another word used with more than one intended meaning is "called" which in this verse refers to be transferred spiritually into Christ.

    Hebrews 11:35 has our last example: "Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release (G629), so that they might obtain a better resurrection; Here G629 should be rendered "redemption" referring to an earthly release from captivity.

    In summary four Greek words are translated as redeemed or redemption, but the concept is clear, being relocated from the realm of darkness into Christ spiritually, or out of our (dead or alive) mortal and corrupt body into our glorified body. He paid the price of redemption on the cross, the ransom for all, but only when God puts us spiritually into Christ are we "redeemed."

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    Thus when we are spiritually in the body of Christ, we are within His propitiatory shelter which because of His shedding of blood, cleanses us from all (past, present and future) unrighteousness. Thus God's wrath toward us is turned aside when we are placed into Christ, thus redeemed.

    What are some of the words or phrases used to refer to this transfer, this redemption?
    1) Called - 1 Corinthians 1:9, Galatians 5:13, 1 Peter 2:9
    2) Sanctified or Sanctifying or Sanctification (meaning set apart) - John 17:9, Acts 20:32, Acts 26:18, 1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 6:11, Hebrews 2:11, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:14, 1 Peter 1:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13
    3) Believes in (eis=into) - John 3:15, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 4:39, John 6:40, Acts 10:43, etc
    4) Baptized into - Romans 6:3, 1 Corinthians 12:13, and Galatians 3:27

    Also, whenever a believer is referred to as a "saint" they have been set apart (sanctified) into Christ.
    Philippians 4:1. Romans 1:7, Romans 8:27, Romans 16:2, 1 Corinthians 1:2, Ephesians 1:1, Ephesians 2:19, Philippians 1:1, Colossians 1:2, Colossians 1:26 and 1 Thessalonians 3:13.
     
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    Are there still things God cannot do?
     
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    So you agree God is all powerful and able to overcome "all things?" That is the orthodox Baptist doctrine!!!!

    Matthew 19:26
    And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
     
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    Do you agree that there are some things not even God can do>
     
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    So you don't agree that God is all powerful and able to overcome "all things?" That is the orthodox Baptist doctrine!!!!

    Matthew 19:26
    And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    Folks, Y1 has revealed his doctrine, something created is more powerful than its creator. I kid you not.
     
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    Can the Lord commit sin?
     
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    On and on folks, one false claim after another. So Y1 doesn't agree that God is all powerful and able to overcome "all things?" That is the orthodox Baptist doctrine!!!!

    Matthew 19:26
    And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

    Folks, Y1 has revealed his doctrine, something created is more powerful than its creator. I kid you not.

    Did Y1 explain how the Holy Spirit limited His knowledge so He did not know the time of Christ's return? I did not see any response either.

    Those that deny God is All Powerful and able to do as He pleases are presenting destructive views to Baptist doctrine.
     
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    Psalms115:3
    But our God is in the heavens;
    He does whatever He pleases.
     
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    Did Jesus know the time of His second coming while incarnated?
     
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    Take a blank 8 1/2 by 11 sheet of paper. Use a drinking glass and draw a 2 or so inch circle on the right hand side. Inside the circle write "In Christ." On the left hand side write "Not in Christ." Draw a black dot on the left hand side, and label it "not saved." Within the circle draw a dot and label it "Saved."

    Now draw an arrow from the "not saved" dot to the "saved" dot and label the arrow "redemption." Got it? :)
     
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    2 Pet 2:1 says nothing about being bought with the blood of Christ.. Christs redemptive blood redeems from all iniquity and purifies .Titus 2:14

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
     
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    One must ask oneself, what does "might redeem" mean:
    1) The option to redeem or not, or
    2) The requirement to redeem all humankind?

    And this poster again ignores that Christ gave himself as a ransom for all, thus shedding His blood for those never to be saved, as taught by 2 Peter 2:1. And although asked time and time again, this poster has not said what Christ used to buy the person headed for destruction, if not His blood, His sacrifice on the cross. Instead, crickets.
     
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    Redemption plan

    (1) God's plan of redemption included choosing Christ to be His redeemer, and thus He chose us [corporately or as a group and not individually] in Him before the foundation of the world - the group being those who Christ would redeem. You do not choose a redeemer without a plan to redeem.

    (2) Since this redemption plan was formulated before the foundation of the world, since He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, then when God saves someone individually during their lifetime, it is according to His foreknown plan. Thus in 1 Peter 1:1-2 when Peter writes: "...who were chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father by the sanctifying work of the Spirit..." he is telling us God's plan was to choose people by spiritually placing them in Christ, and in Christ those chosen are redeemed. So by placing individuals in Christ spiritually (the sanctifying work of the Spirit) God places or puts us into that corporately elected group - those whom Christ would redeem - thus He chose us (those redeemed) corporately before the foundation of the world, and individually when He put us spiritually in Christ.

    The purpose of the redemption plan is to glorify God, not prove God is fair and just.

    "Every one who is called by My name, and whom I have created for My glory, whom I have formed, even whom I have made." Isaiah 43:7.

    When we repent from our self-centered ways and turn to God we bring glory to God, and because we are fallen, vessels of wrath, and predisposed to sin, we bring more glory to God when we repent and put our faith in God and His Christ.

    Who are the ones who are called by His name? Those that have heard and learned (believed) the gospel of Christ, they are "the called, the chosen and the faithful."

    The Redeemed.
     
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